Meeting minutes
Should we include a section on automated testing? Current draft basically says that automated testing should try to create an algorithm that does what the expert testing does.
Lisa Some things can be tested straightaway with automated testing, like is there an H1.
Lisa Without AI, what would you need a warning for?
Lisa We can make clear what is testable with AI and what isn't?
julierawe Is the point of the automated testing section to point out what will be difficult to test with automated testing?
Lisa I'm looking ahead to how you could test in WCAG 3
julierawe I want us to focus on testing in V2 of Making Content Usable
Lisa If you have a procurement process, want to know what automated test can and can't do for testing V2 of Making Content Usable.
Lisa I think it's worth keeping automated testing in this draft and getting feedback on it.
Lisa One of our audiences is tool creators.
Lisa It's important for say what we think is needed to be a good tool.
julierawe You've convinced me to keep it in and get feedback on it.
ACTION: item: Include in the "Status of this document" section a review question asking for feedback on the automated testing section. Do people think it's useful? How might we make it more useful?
Lisa The editor's note can say these sections are not robust, but if people like these sections, we can make them more robust
julierawe What is meant by "one recommended path"? Are we saying users need to do all three kinds of testing?
julierawe Where do the specifics come from in the testing for size and spacing?
Lisa I came up with them.
julierawe We will check with Rain and Jen about the soon-to-be-published paper. Hopefully it has specifics on size and spacing so we can include those specifics and point to the published research on it.
julierawe We need to rework the testing on non-interactive vs interactive elements.
LenB mentioned carets and chevrons are being used at the end of a heading.
LenB the caret is a control
ACTION: item: Len will think about how to rework the testing section on interactive versus non-interactive.
julierawe When does the roll-back option need to be available?
Lisa Maybe when essential tasks have a different flow?
kirkwood Maybe it needs to be available for the first month after a change?
Lisa What is the threshhold for this is something that needs a rollback?
julierawe We need to clarify/define what changes trigger the need for a roll-back option
julierawe We also need to clarify how many versions developers need to provide roll-back options.
kirkwood We need to be more specific
Lisa With aging, many people have trouble learning new things.
Lisa Switching from old tv to new smart tv — provide the old remote or they may need a caregiver to operate the tv for them.
Lisa We provided instructions in a manual
kirkwood Could we provide a roll-back view and compare to where things are now, rather than providing an actual roll-back.
kirkwood We could say to provide a roll-back view, rather a roll-back version. Maintaining the old version does not seem feasible.
Lisa Maybe it needs to be printable?
LenB I can't print from my car or from my watch, but it is an interesting idea to tell people where they could go to get that information.
Lisa I know it's not convenient, but having time when the roll-back exists, and having the manual also there, this could give people a chance to learn the new system at a less stressful time.