Meeting minutes
2025 reflection
<JJ> w3c/
<JJ> https://
@JJ covering the completed tickets in the project board and looking back on what we've been working on.
Any feedback?
Any insights?
Tanya: Think about how to improve the process. The group is very knowledgable - it's difficult to provide a perferct draft, we can benefit from making the voting process faster. Sometimes theres only a few people in the call - perhaps we need to just accept the people in the group when the decision needs to be made. Maybe we can think of a more
effective voting process?
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Joe_Humbert: Mobile is moving quickly, we need more people voluteering for tasks - can we figure out a way to help run the meetings. Lots of lengthy comments are harder to work with than PR's.
rachaely: Can we get a reminder on how we can assign ourselves to tasks?
Look in "Scope for 2nd draft"
Tanya: We are not using the columns either. If you assigned yourself to a task, please make sure it's in progress so every can see (and JJ can add to agenda)
ACTION: Add milestone to the issues in the second draft column
rachaely: Use the milestone feature in GitHub? And have a target due date?
oooh sed it!
action?
sorry was trying to see if that was a command
Joe_Humbert we may have a problem with permissions in github - we need to look into making sure folks have what they need
2026 plans
We can always reach out to thyeir head of a11y
GitHub is taking a11y very very seriously
Ed Summers (head of A11y, GitHub) is super cool and friendly - I'm sure he'd love to get feedback
ACTION: Expand IRC cheatsheet / guidance
ACTION: Clarify collaboration process / expectations
<JJ> If you encounter any accessibility barriers with the tools the MATF is using: let me know
User Agent definition
<JJ> github.com/w3c/matf/issues/63
Tanya: If we look at the WCAG2ICT changes and the new draft - they state that the user entities are applicable for non-web software - in my opion we need to align to WCAG2ICT - there is no reason to have our own separate guidance to WCAG2ICT regarding user agent. I'm not sure if that is the reality or will comply, but I think we should follow
WCAG2ICT. WCAG2ICT does put a lot of effort into saying what User Agent is - we should align with them. We can give more in depth information
<shoobe01> Wondering how much the UA discussion does or should overlap with things like #270, where we're defining the Underlying Layer in the context of who is responsible for which level of compliance anyway.
<RobW> Its not clear to me what 'not on the web' means
<JJ> Web page hosted by the app (localhost) = on or off web?
<Tanya> did someone go though this dcoument: https://
Electron is an example, right?
<shoobe01> Even the concept of web /page/ is fraught to me. Often apps use tiny bits of webview for pulling specific content or performing functions/formatting, but inside an otherwise-native app page.
<pauljadam> If you download an app from the App Store then I think an end user would call that "on the web"
oof where does react native fit in?
<pauljadam> I assume end users think websites and apps are both on the web
<shoobe01> RN: I have found these frameworks and approaches weird enough call them in my writing Webview Apps as they are a weird middle between native app and website.
<pauljadam> If I put content into an iOS SwiftUI app like I make some pages in a navigation view then I'd consider that framework Apple uses to render the app as the User Agent. Sort of like how a web browser is the user agent that renders pages on a website.
Agree pauljadam - everything is Nintendo to some people
<shoobe01> As a starting point, I do not hate "user agent or other platform software" (though it's a bit long)
<rachaely> i think of a WebView as a user agent because it renders HTML content similar to a browser. so in a hybrid app, the native content is rendered by platform software, but the HTML is rendered by a user agent
<RobW> For most users web == internet. But I think for the purpose of definitions we should use the correct definitions of web & internet.
Agree RobW - this is a technical doc, for technical people
<pauljadam> If WCAG was called ICAG (Internet Content Accessibility Guidelines) it would still work the same :)
<JJ> https://
<pauljadam> It says "UAAG is primarily for developers of Web browsers, browser extensions, media players, readers and other applications that render web content" so UAAG should still apply to "applications that render content".
Tanya: My understanding of user agent has it's own a11y guideline - they have their own guidelines. By adding a separate definition, we talk about the same thing on a conceptual level, we talk about the same thing. By adding "platform software" you're leaving the user agent "scope"