W3C

– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

11 December 2025

Attendees

Present
Addison, atsushi, Bert, JcK, jsahleen, r12a, xfq
Regrets
-
Chair
Addison Phillips, Joel Sahleen
Scribe
atsushi

Meeting minutes

<jsahleen> JcK present+

Agenda Review

joel: discussion about new charter, message from xfq on tracker issues on HTML ruby extension

r12a: discussion with WCAG colleagues

Action Items

<jsahleen> #200

<gb> Action 200 produce a new charter draft (on xfq) due 2025-12-11

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues

<jsahleen> #197

<gb> Action 197 rename the repo and shortname and publish ruby accessibility document as a first draft note (on xfq, himorin) due 2025-11-18

joel: xfq drafted charter, and florian gave comment

<jsahleen> #196

<gb> Action 196 remind @duerst to create a list of gaps in URL standard (on aphillips, duerst) due 2025-11-17

atsushi: still following up discussions during TPAC which I could not attend per conflict, will jump in shortly

<jsahleen> #189

addison: will ping on 196

<gb> Action 189 follow up with shane carr about ecma repo automation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-23

<jsahleen> #187

<gb> Action 187 ping GOOG again for participation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-16

addison: will ping on 189

addison: on 187, emailing to Mark

<jsahleen> #185

<gb> Action 185 follow up with PLH on automating TC39 repos (on aphillips) due 2025-10-02

Info Share

joel: remainings seem stalling, skip

[no additional info share]

Review RADAR Review

<addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1

joel: no new incoming

[no update on in review]

addison: any update on awaiting comment resolution?

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3As%3Adapt

xfq: above issues resolved

Pending Issue Review

<jsahleen> i18n-activity/#2049

#2049

<gb> Issue 2049 not found

<jsahleen> i18n/activity #2049

w3c/i18n-activity#2049

<gb> Issue 2049 UX Review: 2.18 Web typography must be highly optimized and appropriate (by w3cbot) [pending] [close?] [tracker] [s:web-sustainability-guidelines] [ig:sustainableweb]

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3Apending

joel: web typography issue in web sastinability, reopened this?

<jsahleen> w3c/i18n-activity#2047

<gb> Issue 2047 Native Footnote/Endnote Element in HTML (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:html] [whatwg]

r12a: commented on this issue, and which is added to agenda by me

xfq: we are having discussion on 2047, keep remained

<jsahleen> w3c/i18n-activity#2055

<gb> CLOSED Issue 2055 Alternative to the explicit base direction setting? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:epub] [wg:pm]

joel: base direction setting one, do we have any open point here?

addison: discussed and closing tracker

<jsahleen> w3c/i18n-activity#2045

<gb> Issue 2045 Findability, copyability (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [i:inline_notes] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [clreq] [mlreq] [t:char_sort] [t:typ_ruby] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]

Review draft charter

<xfq> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/i18n-wg/charter.html#deliverables

xfq: URL above

xfq: discussed with PLH on this issue, bring this for AC to review
… if people want to change on IG, we will

[xfq show draft charter via screen sharing]

xfq: added message resources as tentative following comment
… rec-track deliverables need testing strategy
… also added some text in WG coordination part, to mention our coorporation with WHATWG and ARIA WG

addison: would have glossary first for deliverables
… additional items, like ltli or timezone document
… need to be discussed

<xfq> https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-drafts/nav/specdev#resources

addison: need to think about which we would list as normative deliverables

addison: some would be listed as non-normative deliverables

xfq: will check and add

[background and condition to be listed in charter]

ACTION: xfq: make list of currently-non-REC deliverables for consideration of REC-track

<gb> Created action #201

xfq: couple of items to do, including coordinations

xfq: gap-analysis documents?

<xfq> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/

addison: might be interested to list all of these documents, although

<jsahleen> Having a list would be useful for me too

xfq: our project rader lists these

AOB?

Review draft charter

HTML Ruby extension issues

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3As%3Ahtml-ruby-extensions%20label%3Aneeds-resolution

xfq: here is link, two open tracker issues

<xfq> w3c/i18n-activity#1865

<gb> Issue 1865 Describe cases where jukugo ruby is not like group ruby (by r12a) [close?] [i:inline_notes] [jlreq] [clreq] [mlreq] [needs-resolution] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg] [script-jpan]

xfq: raised by r12a and florian closed WG issue

<xfq> https://w3c.github.io/html-ruby/#jukugo-ruby

xfq: one is 1865 for adjusting ruby

[agreed to close]

<jsahleen> w3c/i18n-activity#1863

<gb> Issue 1863 Add rb>rt>rb>rt example code to Example 1 (by r12a) [close?] [i:inline_notes] [jlreq] [clreq] [mlreq] [needs-resolution] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg] [script-jpan]

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/html-ruby/pull/26/files

<gb> MERGED Pull Request 26 Adjust example 1 in response to i18n review feedback (by frivoal) [Closed: Addressed] [Decision by: Editor's jugement] [Tests: Unneeded] [Type: Editorial] [Topic: Ruby Markup spec]

Proposal: 2.18 Web typography

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=state%3Aopen%20label%3A%22ig%3Asustainableweb%22

<r12a> w3c/sustainableweb-ig#147

<gb> CLOSED Issue 147 Proposal: 2.18 Web typography must be highly optimized and appropriate (by ehorrell) [taskforce-ux]

r12a: isuse closed once, but I've pushed back with commenting there
… first, there was no i18n label, could xfq ask PLH for adding standard labels?

r12a: what they are saying is based on latain languages

addison: agree that dynamic content or user input would suffer difficulty

<xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/IFT/

<xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/PFE-evaluation/#fail-subset

[font loading/downloading issues shared]

addison: still wondering how font subsetting works well, subsetting generation needs care

xfq: will check repository for labeling automation

addison: our interest would be written success criteria, on font advice

<xfq> it's not in https://w3c.github.io/validate-repos/hr-repos.json indeed

<xfq> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/ac-session/xfq-i18n#intro

[watching TPAC video]

<jsahleen> Fuqiao should do all our public speaking from now on.

Summary of action items

  1. xfq: make list of currently-non-REC deliverables for consideration of REC-track
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Maybe present: joel

All speakers: addison, atsushi, joel, r12a, xfq

Active on IRC: addison, atsushi, Bert, jsahleen, r12a, xfq