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14:55:27 <jsahleen> agendabot, load agenda
14:55:27 <agendabot> jsahleen, sorry, I don't understand "load agenda". Try "agendabot, help".
14:55:40 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/9449974b-72da-42a3-988a-1ccae4c25616/20251211T150000/
14:55:40 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:55:40 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:55:40 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:55:42 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:55:44 <agendabot> agenda+ Review RADAR Review
14:55:46 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
14:55:49 <agendabot> agenda+ Review draft charter
14:55:51 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:56:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
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14:56:43 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:57:25 <addison> Chair: Joel Sahleen, Addison Phillips
14:57:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:59:08 <jsahleen> JcK present+
15:02:27 <Bert> present+
15:02:49 <atsushi> present+
15:02:50 <atsushi> scribe+
15:03:17 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item1
15:03:17 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:03:29 <xfq> present+
15:03:30 <addison> agenda?
15:03:54 <atsushi> joel: discussion about new charter, message from xfq on tracker issues on HTML ruby extension
15:03:55 <addison> agenda+ HTML Ruby extension issues
15:04:16 <xfq> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:04:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:04:23 <atsushi> r12a: discussion with WCAG colleagues
15:04:23 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item2
15:04:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:04:35 <jsahleen> #200
15:04:36 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/200 -> Action 200  produce a new charter draft (on xfq) due 2025-12-11
15:04:36 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
15:04:37 <xfq> present+ r12a
15:04:47 <xfq> present+ jsahleen
15:04:48 <addison> present+ Addison
15:04:53 <xfq> present+ Bert
15:04:58 <jsahleen> #197
15:04:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/197 -> Action 197 rename the repo and shortname and publish ruby accessibility document as a first draft note (on xfq, himorin) due 2025-11-18
15:04:59 <atsushi> joel: xfq drafted charter, and florian gave comment
15:05:15 <r12a> agenda+ Proposal: 2.18 Web typography
15:05:52 <jsahleen> #196
15:05:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/196 -> Action 196  remind @duerst to  create a list of gaps in URL standard (on aphillips, duerst) due 2025-11-17
15:06:00 <atsushi> atsushi: still following up discussions during TPAC which I could not attend per conflict, will jump in shortly
15:06:06 <jsahleen> #189
15:06:07 <atsushi> addison: will ping on 196
15:06:07 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/189 -> Action 189  follow up with shane carr about ecma repo automation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-23
15:06:24 <jsahleen> #187
15:06:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/187 -> Action 187  ping GOOG again for participation (on aphillips) due 2025-10-16
15:06:26 <atsushi> addison: will ping on 196
15:06:31 <atsushi> s/196/189/
15:06:49 <atsushi> addison: on 187, emailing to Mark
15:07:13 <jsahleen> #185
15:07:14 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/185 -> Action 185  follow up with PLH on automating TC39 repos (on aphillips) due 2025-10-02
15:07:42 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item3
15:07:42 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:07:43 <atsushi> joel: remainings seem stalling, skip
15:07:51 <xfq> q?
15:07:54 <xfq> agenda?
15:08:21 <atsushi> [no additional info share]
15:08:27 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item 4
15:08:27 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:08:42 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
15:08:46 <atsushi> joel: no new incoming
15:09:49 <atsushi> [no update on in review:
15:09:56 <atsushi> s/review:/review]/
15:10:12 <atsushi> addison: any update on awaiting comment resolution?
15:10:41 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3As%3Adapt
15:10:44 <atsushi> q+ for close 271 (DAPT)?
15:10:53 <atsushi> q-
15:11:01 <atsushi> xfq: above issues resolved
15:11:14 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item 5
15:11:14 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:11:49 <jsahleen> i18n-activity/#2049
15:12:06 <atsushi> #2049
15:12:07 <gb> Issue 2049 not found
15:12:15 <jsahleen> i18n/activity #2049
15:12:17 <atsushi> w3c/i18n-activity#2049
15:12:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/2049 -> Issue 2049 UX Review: 2.18 Web typography must be highly optimized and appropriate (by w3cbot) [pending] [close?] [tracker] [s:web-sustainability-guidelines] [ig:sustainableweb]
15:12:25 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3Apending
15:12:46 <atsushi> joel: web typography issue in web sastinability, reopened this?
15:13:11 <jsahleen> w3c/i18n-activity#2047
15:13:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/2047 -> Issue 2047 Native Footnote/Endnote Element in HTML (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:html] [whatwg]
15:13:13 <atsushi> r12a: commented on this issue, and which is added to agenda by me
15:13:43 <atsushi> xfq: we are having discussion on 2047, keep remained
15:14:47 <jsahleen> w3c/i18n-activity#2055
15:14:48 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/2055 -> CLOSED Issue 2055 Alternative to the explicit base direction setting? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:epub] [wg:pm]
15:15:06 <atsushi> joel: base direction setting one, do we have any open point here?
15:15:24 <atsushi> addison: discussed and closing tracker
15:15:34 <jsahleen> w3c/i18n-activity#2045
15:15:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/2045 -> Issue 2045 Findability, copyability (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [i:inline_notes] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [clreq] [mlreq] [t:char_sort] [t:typ_ruby] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg]
15:16:26 <jsahleen> agenda?
15:16:38 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up itme 6
15:16:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up itme 6', jsahleen
15:16:46 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item 6
15:16:46 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Review draft charter -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:17:11 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/i18n-wg/charter.html#deliverables
15:17:12 <jsahleen> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/i18n-ig/charter.html
15:17:18 <atsushi> xfq: URL above
15:17:39 <xfq> s|https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/i18n-ig/charter.html||
15:18:16 <atsushi> xfq: discussed with PLH on this issue, bring this for AC to review
15:18:29 <atsushi> ... if people want to change on IG, we will
15:19:18 <addison> q+
15:19:55 <atsushi> [xfq show draft charter via screen sharing]
15:20:18 <atsushi> xfq: added message resources as tentative following comment
15:21:02 <atsushi> ... rec-track deliverables need testing strategy
15:21:25 <atsushi> ... also added some text in WG coordination part, to mention our coorporation with WHATWG and ARIA WG
15:22:25 <atsushi> addison: would have glossary first for deliverables
15:23:36 <atsushi> ... additional items, like ltli or timezone document
15:23:47 <atsushi> ... need to be discussed
15:23:59 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-drafts/nav/specdev#resources
15:24:19 <atsushi> ... need to think about which we would list as normative deliverables
15:25:39 <jsahleen> q+
15:25:47 <addison> q-
15:25:50 <addison> ack next
15:25:51 <atsushi> addison: some would be listed as non-normative deliverables
15:25:57 <atsushi> xfq: will chedk and add
15:26:25 <jsahleen> q-
15:26:28 <atsushi> [background and condition to be listed in charter]
15:26:30 <addison> s/chedk/check/
15:28:22 <addison> action: xfq: make list of currently-non-REC deliverables for consideration of REC-track
15:28:29 <gb> Created -> action #201 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/201
15:28:39 <atsushi> xfq: couple of items to do, including coordinations
15:29:07 <atsushi> xfq: gap-analysis documents?
15:29:19 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:29:21 <atsushi> addison: might be interested to list all of these documents, although
15:29:25 <jsahleen> Having a list would be useful for me too
15:29:40 <atsushi> xfq: our project rader lists these
15:30:08 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item 7
15:30:08 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:30:15 <addison> agenda?
15:30:16 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item 6
15:30:18 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Review draft charter -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:30:18 <xfq> agenda?
15:30:28 <xfq> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:30:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:30:50 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item 8
15:30:50 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- HTML Ruby extension issues -- taken up [from addison]
15:31:01 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20label%3As%3Ahtml-ruby-extensions%20label%3Aneeds-resolution
15:31:14 <atsushi> xfq: here is link, two open tracker issues
15:31:23 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1865
15:31:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1865 -> Issue 1865 Describe cases where jukugo ruby is not like group ruby (by r12a) [close?] [i:inline_notes] [jlreq] [clreq] [mlreq] [needs-resolution] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg] [script-jpan]
15:31:28 <atsushi> ... raised by r12a and florian closed WG issue
15:31:43 <xfq> https://w3c.github.io/html-ruby/#jukugo-ruby
15:31:58 <atsushi> xfq: one is 1865 for adjusting ruby
15:32:19 <atsushi> [agreed to close]
15:32:24 <jsahleen> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1863
15:32:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1863 -> Issue 1863 Add rb>rt>rb>rt example code to Example 1 (by r12a) [close?] [i:inline_notes] [jlreq] [clreq] [mlreq] [needs-resolution] [s:html-ruby-extensions] [wg:htmlwg] [script-jpan]
15:32:42 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/html-ruby/pull/26/files
15:32:42 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/html-ruby/pull/26 -> MERGED Pull Request 26 Adjust example 1 in response to i18n review feedback (by frivoal) [Closed: Addressed] [Decision by: Editor's jugement] [Tests: Unneeded] [Type: Editorial] [Topic: Ruby Markup spec]
15:33:52 <jsahleen> Zakim, take up item 9
15:33:52 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Proposal: 2.18 Web typography -- taken up [from r12a]
15:33:57 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=state%3Aopen%20label%3A%22ig%3Asustainableweb%22
15:35:38 <atsushi> scribe+
15:35:50 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/sustainableweb-ig/issues/147
15:35:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sustainableweb-ig/issues/147 -> CLOSED Issue 147 Proposal: 2.18 Web typography must be highly optimized and appropriate (by ehorrell) [taskforce-ux]
15:35:56 <atsushi> r12a: isuse closed once, but I've pushed back with commenting there
15:36:27 <atsushi> ... first, there was no i18n label, could xfq ask PLH for adding standard labels?
15:37:47 <atsushi> r12a: what they are saying is based on latain languages
15:39:16 <atsushi> addison: agree that dynamic content or user input would suffer difficulty
15:39:58 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/IFT/
15:40:25 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/TR/PFE-evaluation/#fail-subset
15:40:58 <atsushi> [font loading/downloading issues shared]
15:43:55 <atsushi> addison: still wondering how font subsetting works well, subsetting generation needs care
15:46:29 <atsushi> xfq: will check repository for labeling automation
15:47:20 <atsushi> addison: our interest would be written success criteria, on font advice
15:47:30 <xfq> it's not in https://w3c.github.io/validate-repos/hr-repos.json indeed
15:49:55 <jsahleen> agenda?
15:51:16 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/2025/11/TPAC/ac-session/xfq-i18n#intro
15:52:46 <atsushi> [watching TPAC viewo]
16:01:40 <jsahleen> Fuqiao should do all our public speaking from now on.
16:04:06 <xfq> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:04:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-i18n-minutes.html xfq
16:04:31 <addison> present+ JcK
16:04:31 <xfq> s/viewo/video/
16:04:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:04:43 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/11-i18n-minutes.html xfq
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