W3C

– DRAFT –
COGA Guidance Subgroup Meeting

04 dec 2025

Attendees

Present
Charli, julierawe, LenB, Rashmi
Regrets
-
Chair
julierawe
Scribe
julierawe

Meeting minutes

<Lisa> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/research-modules-wd-1/issue-papers/Technology-Assisted-Indoor-Navigation-and-Wayfindings.html#sotd

<Lisa> pull request for issue papers

<Lisa> next item

<Lisa> next item

<Lisa> close item 1

<Lisa> close item 2

FYI, the current WCAG 3 draft is using "trigger warning" to describe flashing content. I have flagged this issue already with the WCAG 3 editors: https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag-3.0/#flashing-warning

<julierawe> +1 to user testing

<Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ndRziXRfnyAgDaL8ctByQagDdM36H8QxV44lO3u8zgc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.1sw3jym07njn

<Lisa> https://w3c.github.io/fast/#attention

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnOvxy6gHuj892ybI6SeHyEGceruVGacEXs3ZzNa0ew/edit?usp=sharing

<LenB> DAF, DIgital Accessibility Framework: https://accessiblecommunity.org/daf/

<Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ndRziXRfnyAgDaL8ctByQagDdM36H8QxV44lO3u8zgc/edit?tab=t.0

updated: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnOvxy6gHuj892ybI6SeHyEGceruVGacEXs3ZzNa0ew/edit?tab=t.0

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uAVRkNIgd3XlUIGQ6Gq-ZOcnwsFvIM9UJ1dNyHq8NSQ/edit?pli=1&tab=t.ht1sood1wqs8#heading=h.x8kttf2eu3ps

Overview of what still needs to be reviewed for the V2 pattern about interactive elements/controls

We added a tab to capture possible exceptions. Will decide later how many exceptions to publish and in what format.

Key considerations

Link to Key considerations section: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uAVRkNIgd3XlUIGQ6Gq-ZOcnwsFvIM9UJ1dNyHq8NSQ/edit?pli=1&tab=t.ht1sood1wqs8#heading=h.x8kttf2eu3ps

Lisa suggested a personalization example of a user wanting to use Windows 98.

Charli asked about other personalization examples, such as needing even greater color contrast.

Charli: How would a development team recreate Windows 98 to do everything that their new version does?

Lisa: You can enable personalization by using ADAPT semantics. It could be as little as replacing the iconography.

Lisa: It's a complicated topic.

Lisa: What was said in the draft meant entirely different things to the two of us.

Lisa: The basis of the ADAPT task force is that different icons mean different things to different people.

Lisa: What icons are the best to use? What is familiar to the user for the search icon, for the help icon, for the trash/dust bin icon?

Lisa: The hamburger menu is a great example of something that means nothing to users who aren't already familiar with it.

Lisa: We need to clarity what we mean heree.

Rashmi: We need language that developers should support personalization and customization.

Rashmi: Examples such as users can apply different style sheets. We should provide a conducive environment.

Lisa: This is also a bigger ask until the APA gets its ADAPT personalization guidance out.

<Rashmi> Julie, can we talk about my action item as next item on the agenda

<Rashmi> +1 Julie

We decided to shorten the personalization section and create a tab to help us build out a future section on this topic.

Charli had no objections

How to test

Link to "How to test": https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uAVRkNIgd3XlUIGQ6Gq-ZOcnwsFvIM9UJ1dNyHq8NSQ/edit?pli=1&tab=t.ht1sood1wqs8#heading=h.o4vlkrh7n9y3

Lisa: The testing section needs to be updated to reflect the changes in the "What to do" section.

Any volunteers to rework the testing section?

Lisa: It needs a checklist.

Charli: I would like to help with this, but I can't commit.

Lisa: I can't get to this until after Tuesday.

It would be great if Lisa could work on this testing section next week.

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 248 (Mon Oct 27 20:04:16 2025 UTC).

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