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14:11:21 <julierawe> present+
14:11:21 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:11:22 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:11:22 <Lisa> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/research-modules-wd-1/issue-papers/Technology-Assisted-Indoor-Navigation-and-Wayfindings.html#sotd
14:11:34 <Lisa> pull request for issue papers
14:13:22 <Lisa> next item
14:13:28 <Lisa> next item
14:13:32 <Lisa> close item 1
14:13:38 <Lisa> close item 2
14:20:21 <julierawe> FYI, the current WCAG 3 draft is using "trigger warning" to describe flashing content. I have flagged this issue already with the WCAG 3 editors: https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag-3.0/#flashing-warning
14:22:10 <julierawe> +1 to user testing
14:22:44 <julierawe> q+
14:27:52 <Eric_hind> q+
14:28:30 <Lisa> ack next
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14:28:56 <LenB> present+
14:30:31 <Lisa> ack next
14:30:38 <Lisa> agenda+
14:30:46 <Lisa> agenda?
14:32:04 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ndRziXRfnyAgDaL8ctByQagDdM36H8QxV44lO3u8zgc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.1sw3jym07njn
14:33:12 <julierawe> q+
14:41:32 <julierawe> q-
14:41:34 <Lisa> https://w3c.github.io/fast/#attention
14:46:15 <LenB> q+
14:47:59 <Lisa> ack next
14:51:24 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnOvxy6gHuj892ybI6SeHyEGceruVGacEXs3ZzNa0ew/edit?usp=sharing
14:51:39 <LenB> DAF, DIgital Accessibility Framework: https://accessiblecommunity.org/daf/
14:59:21 <julierawe> q+
15:01:17 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ndRziXRfnyAgDaL8ctByQagDdM36H8QxV44lO3u8zgc/edit?tab=t.0
15:01:37 <julierawe> updated: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jnOvxy6gHuj892ybI6SeHyEGceruVGacEXs3ZzNa0ew/edit?tab=t.0
15:55:34 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/04-coga-minutes.html julierawe
15:55:57 <julierawe> zakim, start meeting
15:55:57 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:55:59 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:56:14 <julierawe> Meeting: COGA Guidance Subgroup Meeting
15:56:32 <julierawe> Date: 04 dec 2025
15:57:05 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
15:57:21 <julierawe> zakim, clear agengda
15:57:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'clear agengda', julierawe
15:57:25 <julierawe> zakim, clear agenda
15:57:25 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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15:58:56 <julierawe> agenda+ Overview of what still needs to be reviewed for the V2 pattern about interactive elements/controls
15:59:03 <julierawe> agenda+ Key considerations
15:59:18 <julierawe> agenda+ How to test
15:59:22 <julierawe> agenda+ How it helps
15:59:29 <julierawe> present+
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16:03:39 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uAVRkNIgd3XlUIGQ6Gq-ZOcnwsFvIM9UJ1dNyHq8NSQ/edit?pli=1&tab=t.ht1sood1wqs8#heading=h.x8kttf2eu3ps
16:03:41 <Charli> present+
16:03:52 <julierawe> zakim, next item
16:03:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Overview of what still needs to be reviewed for the V2 pattern about interactive elements/controls -- taken up [from julierawe]
16:11:12 <julierawe> We added a tab to capture possible exceptions. Will decide later how many exceptions to publish and in what format.
16:11:18 <julierawe> zakim, next item
16:11:18 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, julierawe
16:11:24 <julierawe> q?
16:11:27 <julierawe> q-
16:11:32 <julierawe> zakim, next item
16:11:32 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Key considerations -- taken up [from julierawe]
16:12:04 <julierawe> Link to Key considerations section: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uAVRkNIgd3XlUIGQ6Gq-ZOcnwsFvIM9UJ1dNyHq8NSQ/edit?pli=1&tab=t.ht1sood1wqs8#heading=h.x8kttf2eu3ps
16:20:03 <Rashmi> q+
16:20:13 <julierawe> ack rashmi
16:22:44 <Charli> q+
16:23:03 <julierawe> ack Charli
16:23:32 <julierawe> Lisa suggested a personalization example of a user wanting to use Windows 98.
16:24:01 <julierawe> Charli asked about other personalization examples, such as needing even greater color contrast.
16:24:21 <julierawe> Charli: How would a development team recreate Windows 98 to do everything that their new version does?
16:24:52 <julierawe> Lisa: You can enable personalization by using ADAPT semantics. It could be as little as replacing the iconography.
16:25:06 <julierawe> Lisa: It's a complicated topic.
16:25:27 <julierawe> Lisa: What was said in the draft meant entirely different things to the two of us.
16:25:51 <julierawe> Lisa: The basis of the ADAPT task force is that different icons mean different things to different people.
16:26:30 <julierawe> Lisa: What icons are the best to use? What is familiar to the user for the search icon, for the help icon, for the trash/dust bin icon?
16:27:11 <julierawe> Lisa: The hamburger menu is a great example of something that means nothing to users who aren't already familiar with it.
16:27:34 <julierawe> Lisa: We need to clarity what we mean heree.
16:28:53 <julierawe> Rashmi: We need language that developers should support personalization and customization.
16:29:40 <julierawe> Rashmi: Examples such as users can apply different style sheets. We should provide a conducive environment.
16:30:13 <julierawe> Lisa: This is also a bigger ask until the APA gets its ADAPT personalization guidance out.
16:37:46 <Rashmi> Julie, can we talk about my action item as next item on the agenda
16:39:33 <Rashmi> +1 Julie
16:39:56 <julierawe> We decided to shorten the personalization section and create a tab to help us build out a future section on this topic.
16:40:03 <julierawe> Charli had no objections
16:40:51 <julierawe> agenda+ Rashmi's work on accordions
16:41:11 <julierawe> zakim, next item
16:41:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- How to test -- taken up [from julierawe]
16:41:38 <julierawe> Link to "How to test": https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uAVRkNIgd3XlUIGQ6Gq-ZOcnwsFvIM9UJ1dNyHq8NSQ/edit?pli=1&tab=t.ht1sood1wqs8#heading=h.o4vlkrh7n9y3
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16:52:14 <julierawe> Lisa: The testing section needs to be updated to reflect the changes in the "What to do" section.
16:57:19 <julierawe> Any volunteers to rework the testing section?
16:57:32 <julierawe> Lisa: It needs a checklist.
16:58:38 <julierawe> Charli: I would like to help with this, but I can't commit.
17:02:10 <julierawe> Lisa: I can't get to this until after Tuesday.
17:17:28 <julierawe> It would be great if Lisa could work on this testing section next week.
17:17:34 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
17:17:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/12/04-coga-minutes.html julierawe
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