W3C

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RDF & SPARQL WG

13 November 2025

Attendees

Present
AndyS, doerthe, Dominik_T, gtw, lisp, niklasl, olaf, ora, pfps, TallTed, tl
Regrets
-
Chair
ora
Scribe
niklasl

Meeting minutes

<pfps> short is beautiful

<ora> PROPOSAL: Approve last week's short minutes

<ora> +1

<niklasl> +0 (was not present)

<TallTed> +1

<ora> +1

<Dominik_T> +1

<AndyS> +1

<gtw> +1

<lisp> +1

<doerthe> +1

RESOLUTION: Approve last week's short minutes

Identifying issues to solve before CR 2

ora: Any suggestions for topics? What's the status of editor's notes?

Andys: 1.1 test suites. There are four of them. Conformance levels is one. (We don't want to use "profiles".)
… One about unstar.
… One about contributors.

See w3c/rdf-concepts#248

<gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248

Ora: Acknowledgements will be tricky. And we want to recognize Gregg Kellogg's contributions.
… This doesn't have to happen right now.

AndyS: We have to point to rdf 1.2 test cases at some point.
… In section 2, it says "conformance levels above are tentative". There's a proposal for that.

ora. Is there a reason to change any of this at this point?

AndyS: If somebody wants to propose a change, otherwise no. We can suggest to remove these and give it a week.

Ora: Let's do exactly that.

AndyS: I'll make a PR for that and give it a week.

ora: And unstar?

AndyS: We need to wait until Pierre-Antoine is back from TPAC.

ora: We'll take that next week then. That's all about Editor's Notes for now.

ora: Is w3c/rdf-semantics#163 still relevant?

<gb> Issue 163 Spurious normative dependencies (by pchampin) [ms:CR] [needs discussion]

<pfps> one moment

pfps: The question is whether these should be normative or not.
… e.g. Semantics depends upon Schema; that might be non-normative. Is there any problem with these being normative? The one on Turtle seems so, schema maybe not.

AndyS: Is the normative Turtle dependency actually there (apart from in the reference)?

pfps: In section 4, some paragraphs down. It mentions Turtle, uses prefixes.

pfps: There is Turtle in normative sections; not just examples.
… The axiomatic triples for instance.

ora: That is definitely normative. But is there any problem with having this normative?

pfps: No, not if we'll have Turtle, etc. advancing to CR soon.
… I'll make a PR to propose closing.

ora: And we have w3c/rdf-n-triples#73

<gb> Issue 73 IRI resolution requirements (by gkellogg) [ms:CR] [needs discussion] [spec:substantive]

AndyS: No more progress yet.

pfps: what's happening with the trackers?

ora: We've heard nothing back yet.

ora: There is still work to be done. What's the full scope? Documents we have not yet dicussed.
… For example, status of the SPARQL documents?

Andys: We need to work out what is possible to do with the time we have left. That is on the agenda for tomorrow. E.g. EXISTS.

olaf: There are a bunch of smaller formalization issues for SPARQL. They can be seen as editorial, but fix things to make them formal.

ora: Our work isn't done until SPARQL is done. Is there something we can help out with?

olaf: I don't think so, at least for the issues I've opened. Not substantial work, but needs some time.

ora: Let's put those on our list, so we're aware of what needs to be done.

ora: I got an email from Jerven, replying that he can be an Editor for the RDF/XML spec.

ora: Then we have things that are Notes; we eventually want to have them done as well.

AndyS: The SHACL documents are up for general review. This WG has had a request to review them.
… The EXISTS is at risk, that could be put as a note in the SHACL documents for SPARQL.

ora: There is a new rule mechanism; can you talk about that AndyS?

AndyS: We can talk about that.

ora: Let's close the official meeting and discuss.

Summary of resolutions

  1. Approve last week's short minutes
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All speakers: Andys, olaf, ora, pfps

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