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17:02:38 <TallTed> meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG
17:02:44 <TallTed> scribe: niklasl
17:02:49 <TallTed> chair: ora
17:03:07 <TallTed> present+ TallTed, ora, AndyS, niklasl
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17:04:06 <TallTed> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/11e4d020-9c58-4fff-83c5-37c9e2502295/20251113T120000/
17:04:06 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:04:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/11/06-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:04:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
17:04:06 <doerthe> present+
17:04:31 <pfps> short is beautiful
17:04:53 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve last week's short minutes
17:04:57 <ora> 1+
17:05:03 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:05:03 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/11/20-rdf-star-minutes.html
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17:05:06 <ora> +1
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17:05:59 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve last week's short minutes
17:06:22 <ora> Zakim, open agendum 2
17:06:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:06:38 <Dominik_T> present+
17:06:42 <TallTed> scribenick: niklasl
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17:07:07 <Dominik_T> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:07:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/13-rdf-star-minutes.html Dominik_T
17:07:27 <niklasl> ora: Any suggestions for topics? What's the status of editor's notes?
17:07:42 <ora> q?
17:08:59 <niklasl> Andys: 1.1 test suites. There are for of them. Conformance levels is one. (We don't want to use "profiles".)
17:09:07 <niklasl> ... One about unstar.
17:09:20 <niklasl> ... One about contributors.
17:09:59 <olaf> s/for of them/four of them
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17:10:03 <niklasl> See https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248
17:10:06 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248 -> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248
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17:10:42 <niklasl> Ora: Acknowledgements will be tricky. And we want to recognize Gregg Kellogg's contributions.
17:10:55 <niklasl> ... This doesn't have to happen right now.
17:11:55 <niklasl> AndyS: We have to point to rdf 1.2 test cases at some point.
17:12:18 <niklasl> ... In section 2, it says "conformance levels above are tentative". There's a proposal for that.
17:12:57 <niklasl> ora. Is there a reason to change any of this at this point?
17:13:59 <niklasl> AndyS: If somebody wants to propose a change, otherwise no. We can suggest to remove these and give it a week.
17:14:05 <niklasl> Ora: Let's do exactly that.
17:14:18 <niklasl> AndyS: I'll make a PR for that and give it a week.
17:14:53 <niklasl> ora: And unstar?
17:15:14 <niklasl> AndyS: We need to wait until Pierre-Antoine is back from TPAC.
17:15:37 <niklasl> ora: We'll take that next week then. That's all about Editor's Notes for now.
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17:16:19 <pfps> q+
17:16:20 <niklasl> ora: Is https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/163 still relevant?
17:16:21 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/163 -> Issue 163 Spurious normative dependencies (by pchampin) [ms:CR] [needs discussion]
17:16:26 <tl> present+
17:16:53 <ora> ack pfps
17:17:19 <pfps> one moment
17:18:09 <niklasl> pfps: The question is whether these should be normative or not.
17:18:55 <niklasl> ... e.g. Semantics depends upon Schema; that might be non-normative. Is there any problem with these being normative? The one on Turtle seems so, schema maybe not.
17:19:38 <niklasl> AndyS: Is the normative Turtle dependency actually there (apart from in the reference)?
17:19:55 <niklasl> pfps: In section 4, some paragraphs down. It mentions Turtle, uses prefixes.
17:20:46 <niklasl> pfps: There is Turtle in normative sections; not just examples.
17:21:19 <niklasl> .... The axiomatic triples for instance.
17:21:44 <niklasl> ora: That is definitely normative. But is there any problem with having this normative?
17:22:03 <niklasl> pfps: No, not if we'll have Turtle, etc. advancing to CR soon.
17:22:16 <niklasl> ... I'll make a PR to propose closing.
17:22:34 <niklasl> ora: And we have https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/73
17:22:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/73 -> Issue 73 IRI resolution requirements (by gkellogg) [ms:CR] [needs discussion] [spec:substantive]
17:22:44 <niklasl> AndyS: No more progress yet.
17:23:07 <niklasl> pfps: what's happening with the trackers?
17:23:27 <niklasl> ora: We've heard nothing back yet.
17:24:21 <niklasl> ora: There is still work to be done. What's the full scope? Documents we have not yet dicussed.
17:24:49 <niklasl> ... For example, status of the SPARQL documents?
17:25:22 <niklasl> Andys: We need to work out what is possible to do with the time we have left. That is on the agenda for tomorrow. E.g. EXISTS.
17:25:35 <olaf> q+
17:25:47 <ora> ack olaf
17:26:23 <niklasl> olaf: There are a bunch of smaller formalization issues for SPARQL. They can be seen as editorial, but fix things to make them formal.
17:27:18 <niklasl> ora: Our work isn't done until SPARQL is done. Is there something we can help out with?
17:27:46 <niklasl> olaf: I don't think so, at least for the issues I've opened. Not substantial work, but needs some time.
17:28:12 <niklasl> ora: Let's put those on our list, so we're aware of what needs to be done.
17:28:35 <niklasl> ora: I got an email from Jerven, replying that he can be an Editor for the RDF/XML spec.
17:29:04 <niklasl> ora: Then we have things that are Notes; we eventually want to have them done as well.
17:29:18 <AndyS> q+
17:29:23 <ora> ack AndyS
17:29:50 <niklasl> AndyS: The SHACL documents are up for general review. This WG has had a request to review them.
17:30:30 <niklasl> ... The EXISTS is at risk, that could be put as a note in the SHACL documents for SPARQL.
17:30:56 <niklasl> ora: There is a new rule mechanism; can you talk about that AndyS?
17:31:05 <niklasl> AndyS: We can talk about that.
17:31:14 <niklasl> ora: Let's close the official meeting and discuss.
17:32:35 <TallTed> Zakim, end meeting
17:32:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, ora, AndyS, niklasl, pfps, doerthe, olaf, lisp, gtw, Dominik_T, tl
17:32:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:32:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/11/13-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
17:32:45 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, TallTed; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:32:48 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
17:32:48 <RRSAgent> I see no action items