Meeting minutes
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<flackr> Looking to get resolutions on issues like w3c/
Rob: at last TPAC we discussed moving mouse events under aegis of Pointer Events...but nothing has happened
Mustaq: we agreed on that...
Rob: but beyond agreement in principle, nothing's been done. I want to get these issues resolved
Olli: I think Gary did land some changes...but not sure how to progress further
Patrick: do we want to contact Gary ?
Olli: Gary and Travis still listed at editors, but neither of them work for their respective employers...
Rob: in my ideal world, we just move everything related to mouse event dispatch, common ancestors, etc in UI events over to PE
Rob: so many algorithms that are tightly coupled...
Patrick: wondering if Philippe might have an idea, as effectively UI events is an orphaned spec...
Mustaq: should we try and move the sections we want into ours, keeping section heads, to try and make references work?
Mustaq: doing the move AND changing the algo will be a lot of work...
Olli: wondering if just moving things would be useful, as they're lacking the actual algorithmic stuff
Rob: i think there's value in moving mouse and wheel events, even as is, into PE. it then allows us to start introducing/adding those algorithms in PE without the location being confusing
Mustaq: we can start, as Rob said, we can move things from UI events to PE as is; or we can work on algos and move things as we go / when each is ready
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Olli: UI events has SOME algorithmic things ... that were added at some point ...
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Mustaq: my understanding is that they are still very incomplete
Patrick: maybe the best way forward might be to make a separate branch on PE that we can use to prototype "what would PE with mouse/wheel stuff transplanted from UI events + some algo stuff look like". then in parallel we can have conversations (with Philippe/others?) about how to take this forward - we don't want to wholesale adopt UI events spec, but it should be edited as otherwise there will be confusing bits that are[CUT]
and THAT old spec
Olli: other things like focus event that should be in HTML as that's already covered more there...
<mustaq> Is moving out "auxclick", etc is easy?
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ACTION: Patrick to create new branch for prototype PE+UI events bits. check with Philippe what we can do about taking over those bits from orphaned UI events (at TPAC?). check if branches get previews (if not ask Ken)
Patrick: wondering out loud if this would also need to be reflected in our charter, to say that we will cover mouse+wheel etc. Need to check with PLH as well
Patrick: quick note about recharters ... been checking with PLH about where to actually make PR about potential new charter. I'm aware officially our charter runs out 7 Nov, but worst case we get extension and then recharter
Web Platform Tests https://wpt.live/pointerevents/ / https://wpt.fyi/results/pointerevents?label=experimental&label=master&aligned
Patrick: just a heartbeat to check if we're blocked on anything, anything missing?
Olli: there are some tests that fail in all browsers (not just "Harness TIMEOUT" / "Harness ERROR") ... what do we do about those? do we need to investigate?
Patrick: in ideal world, we'd have all green. but reality is usually not that great. but we should investigate the ones that fail on all platforms AND don't have a clear warning triangle or bug against it
Mustaq: as immediate action we can open a ticket on our end that lists the ones to investigate, and we work through them
Olli: there's then also the optional ones...
Mustaq: so for first step just looking at the ones that fail on all platforms, and aren't optional, and don't have a clear reason for failure (e.g. harness)
Olli: then perhaps move on to the ones that only work in one platform
ACTION: Mustaq to make a ticket to list problematic tests with the proper filter
gaston: feel free to reach out to me as well to help with this
Mustaq: related to WPT. Olli did Firefox make an interop submission for PE?
Olli: think we did the same as last time for mobile ... but we'd need something new in the testing framework
Olli: think proposal was specifically about touch, not pan
Mustaq: would be good again at this TPAC to see what's happening (e.g. webdriver support for touch)
<smaug> mustaq: web-platform-tests/
Patrick: Any other issues that cropped up that are important/interesting, anything you need help with at this stage?
[no issues brought up by group]
Patrick: excellent, in that case thank you all as ever, we'll reconvene in two weeks' time