W3C

– DRAFT –
MATF September 2025

17 September 2025

Attendees

Present
Aash, Detlev, Jamie, Joe_Humbert, shoobe01
Regrets
Gleidson, quintinb, TimGravemaker
Chair
JJ
Scribe
Detlev

Meeting minutes

JJ: Meeting is project planning focus
… prioritise issues
… for second draft

Discussion: Prioritized issues

<JJ> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/147/views/1

<JJ> Column to look at: "Scope for Second Draft"

2.4.2 Page Titled

JJ: Question is what constitute a title?
… assigned to Tanja

2.4.11 Focus Not Obscured

#52 Focus not obsured - draft text take into account issues from github

Joe will draft it

2.5.1 Pointer Gestures

JJ will finish 2.5.1

<JJ> JJ will finish the latest feedback

2.5.2 Pointer Cancellation

<JJ> JJ will finish the latest feedback

JJ: 2.5.3 Label in name (Jamie was working on that)

2.5.3 Label in Name

<JJ> Jamie will finalize 2.5.3

Jamie will work on 2.5.3

2.5.7 Dragging Movements

Detlev has interest to join working on it

Detlev: raises issue of horizontal areas with overflow

JJ: scroll bar issue, layer issue currently considered out of scope

J: group agrees?

Detlev: Layer example?

JJ: When e.g. Apple takes care of drag'n'drop

<JJ> JJ will work together with Detlev on 2.5.7

2.5.8 Touch Target Size

<shoobe01> I might have thoughts on 2.5.7 as well, can be added to the sub-working-group for that task if you all discuss offline.

2.5.8 point to AAA requirement

JJ: replace CSS units with the same used on WCAG2ICT

<JJ> Aash would like to work on 2.5.8

<JJ> shoobe01 would also like to work on 2.5.8 and has started sharing research on GitHub

Steven: pointed to research on target size

<JJ> (probably remove JJ as assignee)

shoobe and Aash will work on 2.5.8

3.1.1 Language of Page

JJ: Feedback fropm others alsoe welcome!

Tanja will work on that - In Android it is not possible to set lang at app level

JJ: Tanja asked if others have more tech knowledge regaring lang assignment

Joe_Humbert: Android supports it on app level

JJ: explains that Durch lang will be spoken with English pronunciation

JJ: Has more finegrained lang support

Jamie: was itabout pronunciation or language itself?

<JJ> Parsing the language that content is written in does not seem to be supported on Android - more info on GitHub

<JJ> iOS has support

Jamie: need to be analysed together with localization

Jamie: different from web when parsing localization string
… needs to be documented somehow

JJ: join Tanja?

<JJ> Jamie to join Tanya on 3.1.1

Jamie: will join Tanja to work on it

3.1.2 Language of Parts

JJ: Tanja works on that - known issues - it's technically possible but a burden on developers
… in practice this point is excluded from some standards lie sectino 508

Jamie will join on that as well

3.2.2 On Input

JJ: not assigned yet

JJ: small variation, some sub-issues

JJ: what is a change of setting in apps?

JJ: explains pin code example

JJ: submit on entry of last digit - formally fail 3.2.2

JJ: other example is 2-factor auth

JJ: patterns well known / expected - might be surprised to have to press button for that

Joe_Humbert: When developer mades th echoice it falls under the SC

JJ: add a note - exception or no exception

JJ: Set an option in settings to have submit button or not

JJ: volunteers?

Joe_Humbert: Will have a go

User Agent definition

JJ: user agend defiition / assigned to Joe

JJ: Maybe good to go - otherwise Joe happy to finalize

Keyboard Interface definition

JJ: still difficult keyboard proper vas AT interface

shoobe01:
… will have a go at that definiton

<JJ> Jamie can help out as well

Mobile Operating system definition

JJ: define to go beyond iOS and Android - but current advice focused on these two (pluis iPadOS)

JJ: not restricted to mobile phones

<shoobe01> Someone who knows gaming better should totally edit that then. Thought there was a portable one hence why I used that example but do not own one.

Joe_Humbert: refering to SteamOS - not a mobile OS

JJ: SteamOS optimised for mobeile devices but not a mobile OS

shoobe01: Offering help and input on these issues

Underlaying Layer definition

JJ: term used in three SCs

JJ: when is it outside author's control

JJ: anyone join?

<JJ> JJ will join

<JJ> Together with shoobe01

JJ: that's it for today

JJ: separate meeting for people drafting - but can also work ascnchronously

<JJ> Slack join link: https://matf.to/slack channel for MATF is #matf

<JJ> W3C WorkSpace

Detlev: asking for Slack invite

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 244 (Thu Feb 27 01:23:09 2025 UTC).

Diagnostics

Maybe present: J, JJ, Steven

All speakers: Detlev, J, Jamie, JJ, Joe_Humbert, shoobe01, Steven

Active on IRC: Aash, Detlev, Jamie, JJ, Joe_Humbert, shoobe01