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12:59:28 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JJ
12:59:32 <JJ> Zakim, this is MATF 17 September 2025
12:59:32 <Zakim> got it, JJ
12:59:39 <JJ> Meeting: MATF September 2025
12:59:46 <JJ> chair+
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12:59:49 <JJ> present+ shoobe01
13:00:13 <Joe_Humbert> present+
13:00:14 <JJ> agenda+ Discussion: Prioritized issues
13:00:22 <JJ> agenda+ 2.4.2 Page Titled > Tanya
13:00:30 <JJ> agenda- 2
13:00:40 <JJ> agenda+ 2.4.2 Page Titled
13:00:42 <JJ> agenda+ 2.4.11 Focus Not Obscured
13:00:48 <JJ> agenda+ 2.5.1 Pointer Gestures
13:00:53 <JJ> agenda+ 2.5.2 Pointer Cancellation
13:00:58 <JJ> agenda+ 2.5.3 Label in Name
13:01:05 <JJ> agenda+ 2.5.7 Dragging Movements
13:01:10 <JJ> agenda+ 2.5.8 Touch Target Size
13:01:20 <JJ> agenda+ 3.1.1 Language of Page
13:01:21 <JJ> agenda+ 3.1.2 Language of Parts
13:01:25 <JJ> agenda+ 3.2.2 On Input
13:01:32 <JJ> agenda+ User Agent definition
13:01:37 <JJ> agenda+ Keyboard Interface definition
13:01:41 <JJ> agenda+ Mobile Operating system definition
13:01:46 <JJ> agenda+ Underlaying Layer definition
13:01:51 <JJ> agenda+ Cross-platform Framework definition
13:01:55 <JJ> agenda+ Change of Context
13:02:01 <JJ> agenda+ User Interface Component definition
13:02:07 <JJ> agenda+ Discussion: Out of scope issues
13:02:12 <JJ> agenda+ Discussion: Closed issues
13:03:47 <JJ> regrets+ TimGravemaker
13:03:52 <JJ> regrets+ quintinb
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13:05:54 <JJ> present+ Detlev
13:05:57 <JJ> scribe: Detlev
13:06:39 <Detlev> JJ: Meeting is project planning focus
13:06:46 <Detlev> ...prioritise issues
13:07:04 <Detlev> ...for second draft
13:07:39 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:07:39 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Discussion: Prioritized issues -- taken up [from JJ]
13:07:48 <JJ> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/147/views/1
13:08:12 <JJ> Column to look at: "Scope for Second Draft"
13:08:50 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- 2.4.2 Page Titled -- taken up [from JJ]
13:10:00 <Detlev> JJ: Question is what constitute a title?
13:10:18 <Jamie> Jamie has joined #matf
13:10:32 <Detlev> ...assigned to Tanja
13:10:33 <Jamie> present+
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13:10:46 <Detlev> present+
13:11:12 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:11:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- 2.4.11 Focus Not Obscured -- taken up [from JJ]
13:12:33 <Detlev> #52 Focus not obsured - draft text take into account issues from github
13:12:55 <Detlev> Joe will draft it
13:13:06 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:13:06 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- 2.5.1 Pointer Gestures -- taken up [from JJ]
13:14:00 <Detlev> JJ will finish 2.5.1
13:14:05 <JJ> JJ will finish the latest feedback
13:14:08 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:14:08 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- 2.5.2 Pointer Cancellation -- taken up [from JJ]
13:14:22 <JJ> JJ will finish the latest feedback
13:15:01 <Detlev> JJ: 2.5.3 Label in name (Jamie was working on that)
13:15:06 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:15:06 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, JJ
13:15:21 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:15:21 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- 2.5.3 Label in Name -- taken up [from JJ]
13:16:00 <JJ> Jamie will finalize 2.5.3
13:16:07 <Detlev> Jamie will work on 2.5.3
13:16:23 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:16:23 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- 2.5.7 Dragging Movements -- taken up [from JJ]
13:17:39 <Detlev> Detlev has interest to join working on it
13:20:25 <Detlev> Detlev: raises issue of horizontal areas with overflow
13:21:32 <Detlev> JJ: scroll bar issue, layer issue currently considered out of scope
13:21:44 <Detlev> J: group agrees?
13:23:00 <Aash> present+
13:23:22 <Detlev> Detlev: Layer example?
13:23:56 <Detlev> JJ: When e.g. Apple takes care of drag'n'drop
13:24:19 <JJ> JJ will work together with Detlev on 2.5.7
13:24:23 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:24:23 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- 2.5.8 Touch Target Size -- taken up [from JJ]
13:24:28 <shoobe01> I might have thoughts on 2.5.7 as well, can be added to the sub-working-group for that task if you all discuss offline.
13:25:25 <Joe_Humbert> q?
13:25:32 <Joe_Humbert> q+ Aash
13:25:35 <Detlev> 2.5.8 point to AAA requirement
13:25:40 <shoobe01> q+
13:25:53 <Detlev> JJ: replace CSS units with the same used on WCAG2ICT
13:26:04 <JJ> ack Aash
13:26:18 <JJ> Aash would like to work on 2.5.8
13:26:24 <JJ> ack shoobe01
13:26:40 <JJ> shoobe01 would also like to work on 2.5.8 and has started sharing research on GitHub
13:26:45 <Detlev> Steven: pointed to research on target size
13:26:51 <JJ> q?
13:26:54 <JJ> ack shoobe
13:27:26 <JJ> (probably remove JJ as assignee)
13:27:41 <Detlev> shoobe and Aash will work on 2.5.8
13:27:49 <JJ> q?
13:28:04 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:28:04 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- 3.1.1 Language of Page -- taken up [from JJ]
13:28:11 <Detlev> JJ: Feedback fropm others alsoe welcome!
13:29:06 <Detlev> Tanja will work on that - In Android it is not possible to set lang at app level
13:29:40 <Joe_Humbert> q+
13:29:50 <JJ> ack Joe_Humbert
13:30:10 <Detlev> JJ: Tanja asked if others have more tech knowledge regaring lang assignment
13:30:38 <Detlev> Joe_Humbert: Android supports it on app level
13:31:14 <Jamie> q+
13:31:20 <Detlev> JJ: explains that Durch lang will be spoken with English pronunciation
13:31:41 <JJ> ack Jamie
13:31:46 <Detlev> JJ: Has more finegrained lang support
13:32:27 <Detlev> Jamie: was itabout pronunciation or language itself?
13:32:41 <JJ> Parsing the language that content is written in does not seem to be supported on Android - more info on GitHub
13:32:56 <JJ> iOS has support
13:33:41 <Detlev> Jamie: need to be analysed together with localization
13:33:45 <JJ> regrets+ Gleidson
13:34:36 <Detlev> Jamie: different from web when parsing localization string
13:35:06 <Detlev> ...needs to be documented somehow
13:35:12 <Detlev> JJ: join Tanja?
13:35:19 <JJ> Jamie to join Tanya on 3.1.1
13:35:24 <Detlev> Jamie: will join Tanja to work on it
13:35:26 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:35:26 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- 3.1.2 Language of Parts -- taken up [from JJ]
13:36:20 <Detlev> JJ: Tanja works on that - known issues - it's technically possible but a burden on developers
13:37:14 <Detlev> ...in practice this point is excluded from some standards lie sectino 508
13:37:31 <Detlev> Jamie will join on that as well
13:37:50 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:37:50 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- 3.2.2 On Input -- taken up [from JJ]
13:38:10 <Detlev> JJ: not assigned yet
13:38:27 <Detlev> JJ: small variation, some sub-issues
13:38:54 <Detlev> JJ: what is a change of setting in apps?
13:39:22 <Joe_Humbert> q+
13:40:03 <Detlev> JJ: explains pin code example
13:40:47 <Detlev> JJ: submit on entry of last digit - formally fail 3.2.2
13:41:12 <Detlev> JJ: other example is 2-factor auth
13:41:42 <JJ> ack Joe_Humbert
13:41:45 <Detlev> JJ: patterns well known / expected - might be surprised to have to press button for that
13:42:41 <Detlev> Joe_Humbert: When developer mades th echoice it falls under the SC
13:43:22 <Detlev> JJ: add a note - exception or no exception
13:43:40 <Detlev> JJ: Set an option in settings to have submit button or not
13:44:27 <Detlev> JJ: volunteers?
13:45:17 <Detlev> Joe_Humbert: Will have a go
13:45:33 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:45:33 <Zakim> agendum 13 -- User Agent definition -- taken up [from JJ]
13:46:03 <Detlev> JJ: user agend defiition / assigned to Joe
13:46:59 <Detlev> JJ: Maybe good to go - otherwise Joe happy to finalize
13:47:14 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:47:14 <Zakim> agendum 14 -- Keyboard Interface definition -- taken up [from JJ]
13:48:00 <Detlev> JJ: still difficult keyboard proper vas AT interface
13:48:47 <Detlev> shoobe01:
13:48:58 <Detlev> ..will have a go at that definiton
13:49:33 <JJ> Jamie can help out as well
13:49:33 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:49:33 <Zakim> agendum 15 -- Mobile Operating system definition -- taken up [from JJ]
13:51:17 <Detlev> JJ: define to go beyond iOS and Android - but current advice focused on these two (pluis iPadOS)
13:51:43 <Joe_Humbert> q+
13:51:54 <Detlev> JJ: not restricted to mobile phones
13:52:02 <JJ> ack Joe_Humbert
13:52:58 <shoobe01> Someone who knows gaming better should totally edit that then. Thought there was a portable one hence why I used that example but do not own one.
13:53:11 <Detlev> Joe_Humbert: refering to SteamOS - not a mobile OS
13:54:31 <Detlev> JJ: SteamOS optimised for mobeile devices but not a mobile OS
13:55:04 <Detlev> shoobe01: Offering help and input on these issues
13:55:08 <JJ> move to next agendum
13:55:08 <Zakim> agendum 16 -- Underlaying Layer definition -- taken up [from JJ]
13:56:01 <Detlev> JJ: term used in three SCs
13:56:27 <Detlev> JJ: when is it outside author's control
13:57:17 <Detlev> JJ: anyone join?
13:57:21 <JJ> JJ will join
13:57:27 <JJ> Together with shoobe01
13:57:57 <Detlev> JJ: that's it for today
13:58:50 <Detlev> JJ: separate meeting for people drafting - but can also work ascnchronously
13:59:21 <JJ> Slack join link: https://matf.to/slack channel for MATF is #matf
13:59:30 <JJ> W3C WorkSpace
13:59:30 <Detlev> Detlev: asking for Slack invite
14:01:50 <JJ> Zakim, list participants
14:01:50 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shoobe01, Joe_Humbert, Detlev, Jamie, Aash
14:02:01 <JJ> rrsagent, make minutes
14:02:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/09/17-matf-minutes.html JJ
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14:27:10 <JJ> rrsagent, bye
14:27:10 <RRSAgent> I see no action items