Meeting minutes
ACT stand-up
<Kathy> Wilco: resolved comments on rule redesign page, push 1 change
<Kathy> ... splitting ARIA rules
<Kathy> Giacomo: reviewed PRs, closed some issues
<Kathy> Kathy: reviewed PRs, 1.1 Rules Format approved
<Kathy> Wilco: request for implementations of 1.1 needed
<Kathy> Sasha: nothing to report
<Kathy> Carlos: nothing to report
<Kathy> Wilco: no further Task Force update
Passed Example 3 in Headers attribute specified on a cell refers to cells in the same table element [a25f45] should be edited/removed (act-rules/act-rules.github.io#2233 )
<Kathy> Carlos: example fails ARIA and HTML while passing rule
<Kathy> Giacomo: it's invalid HTML
<Kathy> ... cannot reference ID of <td>
<Kathy> Wilco: we have examples of pass WCAG but not valid in other specs
<Kathy> ... want to highlight WCAG can pass even if they don't meet ARIA or HTML specs
<Kathy> Giacomo: having the headers or not is exactly the same
<Kathy> Wilco: can we change example? to 4 col table. odd cols contain headers and even cols contain the data
<Kathy> ... headers are not in the same col as data
<Kathy> ... used to be valid HTML4, but invalid HTML5
<Kathy> ... used to work, might still work
<Kathy> Sasha: have had problem that headers referencing ID doesn't work
<Kathy> Wilco: VoiceOver doesn't support
<Kathy> Carlos: no accessibility support note in rule currently
<Kathy> Wilco: would it fail if headers attributes are different from scope
<Kathy> Carlos: headers are there for when scope wouldn't work
<Kathy> Wilco: headers over scope
<Kathy> Giacomo: confirm VoiceOver doesn't support headers
<Kathy> Wilco: it didn't in the past
<Kathy> Giacomo: I can test
<Kathy> ... invalid HTML in passed examples aren't a strong solution
<Kathy> Wilco: rules include edge cases to be tested consistently
<sashanichols> there are 8.3k code instances on github of <ul><div :D
<Kathy> Giacomo: major browsers are trying to create algorithm inconsistently
ARIA ID Reference Error Processing - Requires ACT review #2337 (act-rules/act-rules.github.io#2337 )
<Kathy> Carlos: discussed in July
<Kathy> ... update from ARIA WG
<Kathy> Giacomo: aria controls removed from scroll bar so rule should be deprecated
<Kathy> Wilco: agree to deprecate
<Kathy> Carlos: deprecate rule
[NEW RULE] - ARIA required accessible names - aria-required-accessible-name-gp8n89 (act-rules/act-rules.github.io#2190 ) CarlosD]
<Kathy> Carlos: discussed that it overlaps existing rules
<Kathy> Giacomo: some roles do not require accname in editor draft of ARIA spec
<Kathy> ... rule scope can group certain roles. rule title is misleading
<Kathy> Wilco: rule will have a lot of secondary requirements because of broad scope
<Kathy> ... approach would allow failing of SCs incorrectly
<Kathy> giacomo: remove sec reqs for this rule
<Kathy> Wilco: would result in inconsistent implementations
<Kathy> giacomo: no WCAG in this ARIA rule
<Kathy> Wilco: broad scope overlaps many rules
<Kathy> Giacomo: try to refine rule
<Kathy> Carlos: split rule by secondary reqs
<Kathy> .. can have multiple roles in one rule
<Kathy> Giacomo: will make changes
Wilco: identifying what roles need names and what do not, and then bringing those to the ARIA WG would be helpful
<sashanichols> I need to drop, bye!