W3C

– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

07 August 2025

Attendees

Present
addison, atsushi, Bert, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard
Regrets
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Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Bert

Meeting minutes

Agenda Review

Action Items

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues

<addison> #180

<gb> Action 180 publish address formats around the world article for wide review (on xfq) due 2025-08-07

xfq: Done

<addison> close #180

<gb> Closed issue #180

<addison> #178

<gb> Action 178 inquire with tc39 about reviews of specs (on aphillips) due 2025-07-31

addison: Done, got a response from Shane Carr

<addison> close #178

<gb> Closed issue #178

<addison> #162

<gb> Action 162 poll I18N/CSS for new day/time (on aphillips) due 2025-03-25

addison: Got some responses, talka bout it later

<addison> close #162

<gb> Closed issue #162

<addison> #157

<gb> Action 157 write glossary proposal identifying options and next steps for those options (on aphillips) due 2025-02-20

<addison> #135

<gb> Action 135 follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17

<addison> #127

<gb> Action 127 make a list of shared topics of interest between TC2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30

<addison> #33

<gb> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)

<addison> #7

<gb> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

<addison> #4

<gb> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023

Info Share

xfq: Published the address formats article for wide review. Got some comments.

Review RADAR Review

<addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1

addison: No reviews.

Pending Issue Review

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending

addison: No incoming panding issus

Write more articles about server configuration

<xfq> w3c/i18n-drafts#671

<gb> Issue 671 Write more articles about server configuration (by xfq)

xfq: I raised this issue ^^
… About how to set up lang negotiation in Apache.
… We have a poorly maintained server techniques page.
… about http-charset, etc.
… There are now more modern frameworks, in addition to traditional servers.
… We could mention them They are useful for developers.

<xfq> w3c/i18n-drafts#672

<gb> Pull Request 672 Add an article on language negotiation in Next.js (by xfq)

<xfq> vercel/next.js

xfq: We should mention some of them. And as an experiment I wrote this ^^
… about next.js

<xfq> https://deploy-preview-672--i18n-drafts.netlify.app/questions/qa-nextjs-lang-neg.en.html

<xfq> https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/server-setup#language

xfq: Any feedback?

addison: You want to write a bunch of these? Do you want help?

xfq: I want to write more, this is the first one.

addison: And retire the current articles?

xfq: They still apply. I already updated some.
… I want to maintain the page better.

addison: When do you want reviews? In a couple of weeks?

ACTION: addison: schedule topic to review server config articles/materials per 2025-08-07 call

xfq: Maybe one or two weeks. Article is simple.

<gb> Created action #181

addison: I still have a lang neg article I haven't worked on for a while.

r12a: On the next.js article: Where do you store the file and how do you point to it? Seems a different file name fhan in Apache.

addison: It is path-based negotiation.

r12a: We should explain that.

xfq: It says "language path" but I can make that clearer.
… It is usually in the root directory of the project.

r12a: And what if you have other stuff in the URL, e.g., /fr/ab?

xfq: Explaining that may make it very long.

r12a: What would be cool is to have a single example, say with English and French, and see in each article how to do that example, with each method.
… This article would have a link to the other articels that do the same example ina different method.

<xfq> w3c/i18n-drafts#672

<gb> Pull Request 672 Add an article on language negotiation in Next.js (by xfq)

addison: We can invite other people to write articles for their technology, using the same example

discuss next steps with tc39

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2025Aug/0003.html

addison: Reaction from Shane Carr ^^
… Define tracked repos and labels, similar to how we do with WHATWG.
… Anybody can be a liaison person?
… Their meeting is also on Thursday, later than ours.

JcK: Can we standardize on calling them "ECMA TC 39", because there are other TG 39s.

I18N+CSS

addison: Florian doesn't have time for a i18n+CSS meeting.

<r12a> s/Benticide/Fantasai/

addison: What do we want to do?

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2025Aug/0001.html

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2025Aug/0002.html

xfq: Any other people from CSS interested and able to join?

addison: Or do we send somebody to their meeting, who reports back?

addison: More participation in our group would be good. Or we can go back to ad-hoc meetings.

xfq: I won't be able to join the CSS meeting, because of the time.

r12a: And much of their stuff is not relevant to us, if we attend their meeting.

addison: We can try to manage things with labels. And maybe go to their call once a month and arrange with Alan to schedule some issues at the start of the call.

r12a: Seems a useful fallback.

addison: Should I propose that? The existing call on the calendar isn't doing anything.

ACTION: addison: respond to CSS, cancel existing call, propose ideas for future cooperation per today's telecon

<gb> Created action #182

<Bert> s/callback/fallback/

r12a: We should probably monitor their agendas as well.

addison: I use a label on their GitHub issues.
… It would be good if they could also reach out to us if they stumble upon an issue.
… We have to do a lot of polling and there are a lot of groups...

I18N Glossary

addison: We talked about some options. When do you want to talk about it again?

<xfq> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jGup6Z9dO0OAeSfM6zZhTeT_E5eM9lDOVWo_Ec37mn0/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.133jkq9f9qj

xfq: We didn't have a conclusion, did we?
… Here are the options ^^
… I'm inclined to keep it as a note for now.
… And we could make it a Rec-track when we recharter next time.
… Then aother WGS can link to it without worrying about non-normative references.

addison: There is a bunch of work in there.
… We need to start behaving as if it were normative.

xfq: Make normative and non-normative sections.

addison: I made a list, which could be mnaintained.

xfq: We can use that list as a start.
… I can look into this.
… And start rewriting.
… When we have a normative-like document when we recharter, it will be relatively easyt to republish it.

AOB?

Summary of action items

  1. addison: schedule topic to review server config articles/materials per 2025-08-07 call
  2. addison: respond to CSS, cancel existing call, propose ideas for future cooperation per today's telecon
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Maybe present: r12a, xfq

All speakers: addison, JcK, r12a, xfq

Active on IRC: addison, Bert, JcK, r12a, xfq