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13:49:58 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:50:08 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/3d8e05fe-09ac-4406-91ee-50e6ad47529d/20250807T150000/
13:50:08 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:50:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:50:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:50:10 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:50:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Review RADAR Review
13:50:14 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:50:15 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:50:17 <agendabot> agenda+ Potpourri
13:50:19 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:50:36 <addison> agenda+ Write more articles about server configuration
13:51:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
13:57:31 <addison> present+
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14:03:48 <Bert> scribe+
14:04:01 <JcK> present+ Jck
14:04:03 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:04:03 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:05 <addison> agenda?
14:04:06 <xfq> present+ Fuqiao
14:04:12 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:04:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/07-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:04:19 <Bert> present+
14:04:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:04:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:46 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
14:04:48 <xfq> present+ Richard
14:04:53 <addison> #180
14:04:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/180 -> Action 180  publish address formats around the world article for wide review (on xfq) due 2025-08-07
14:04:56 <xfq> present+ JcK
14:05:20 <Bert> xfq: Done
14:05:20 <addison> close #180
14:05:22 <gb> Closed -> issue #180 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/180
14:05:32 <addison> #178
14:05:32 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/178 -> Action 178  inquire with tc39 about reviews of specs (on aphillips) due 2025-07-31
14:05:53 <addison> agenda+ discuss next steps with tc39
14:05:56 <Bert> addison: Done, got a response from Shane Carr
14:06:03 <addison> close #178
14:06:05 <gb> Closed -> issue #178 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/178
14:06:13 <addison> #162
14:06:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/162 -> Action 162  poll I18N/CSS for new day/time (on aphillips) due 2025-03-25
14:06:33 <Bert> addison: Got some responses, talka bout it later
14:06:36 <addison> close #162
14:06:37 <gb> Closed -> issue #162 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/162
14:06:39 <addison> #157
14:06:40 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/157 -> Action 157  write glossary proposal identifying options and next steps for those options (on aphillips) due 2025-02-20
14:06:52 <addison> #135
14:06:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
14:06:58 <addison> #127
14:06:58 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
14:07:18 <addison> #33
14:07:18 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:07:30 <addison> #7
14:07:31 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:07:49 <xfq> present+ atsushi
14:08:02 <addison> #4
14:08:02 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
14:08:09 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:08:09 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:08:40 <Bert> xfq: Published the address formats addres for wide review. Got some comments.
14:09:01 <Bert> s/addres /article /
14:09:14 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:09:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:23 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
14:09:42 <Bert> addison: No reviews.
14:09:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:09:46 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:55 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
14:10:05 <addison> agenda?
14:10:09 <Bert> addison: No incoming panding issus
14:10:14 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:10:14 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Write more articles about server configuration -- taken up [from addison]
14:10:31 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/issues/671
14:10:32 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/issues/671 -> Issue 671 Write more articles about server configuration (by xfq)
14:10:44 <Bert> xfq: I raised this issue ^^
14:10:57 <Bert> ... About how to set up lang negotiation in Apache.
14:11:08 <Bert> ... We have a poorly maintained server techniques page.
14:11:23 <Bert> ... about http-charset, etc.
14:11:44 <Bert> ... There are now more modern frameworks, in addition to traditional servers.
14:12:02 <Bert> ... We could mention them They are useful for developers.
14:13:01 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/672
14:13:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/672 -> Pull Request 672 Add an article on language negotiation in Next.js (by xfq)
14:13:16 <xfq> https://github.com/vercel/next.js
14:13:16 <Bert> ... We should mention some of them. And as an experiment I wrote this ^^
14:13:27 <Bert> ... about next.js
14:13:37 <xfq> https://deploy-preview-672--i18n-drafts.netlify.app/questions/qa-nextjs-lang-neg.en.html
14:14:09 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/server-setup#language
14:14:15 <Bert> ... Any feedback?
14:14:40 <Bert> addison: You want to write a bunch of these? Do you want help?
14:14:52 <Bert> xfq: I want to write more, this is the first one.
14:15:05 <Bert> addison: And retire the current articles?
14:15:26 <Bert> xfq: They still apply. I already updated some.
14:15:46 <Bert> ... I want to maintain the page better.
14:16:10 <Bert> addison: When do you want reviews? In a couple of weeks?
14:16:23 <addison> action: addison: schedule topic to review server config articles/materials per 2025-08-07 call
14:16:31 <Bert> xfq: Maybe one or two weeks. Article is simple.
14:16:31 <gb> Created -> action #181 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/181
14:17:00 <r12a> q+
14:17:07 <addison> ack next
14:17:18 <Bert> addison: I still have a lang neg article I haven't worked on for a while.
14:18:11 <Bert> r12a: On the next.js article: Where do you store the file and how do you point to it? Seems a different file name fhan in Apache.
14:18:52 <Bert> addison: It is path-based negotiation.
14:19:00 <Bert> r12a: We should explain that.
14:19:22 <Bert> xfq: It says "language path" but I can make that clearer.
14:19:41 <Bert> ... It is usually in the root directory of the project.
14:20:24 <Bert> r12a: And what if you have other stuff in the URL, e.g., /fr/ab?
14:20:45 <Bert> xfq: Explaining that may make it very long.
14:21:44 <Bert> r12a: What would be cool is to have a single example, say with English and French, and see in each article how to do that example, with each method.
14:22:28 <Bert> ... This article would have a link to the other articels that do the same example ina  different method.
14:23:21 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/672
14:23:21 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/672 -> Pull Request 672 Add an article on language negotiation in Next.js (by xfq)
14:23:34 <addison> agenda?
14:23:37 <Bert> addison: We can invite other people to write articles for their technology, using the same example
14:23:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
14:23:46 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- discuss next steps with tc39 -- taken up [from addison]
14:24:07 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2025Aug/0003.html
14:24:43 <Bert> addison: Reaction from Shane Carr ^^
14:25:01 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
14:25:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/07-i18n-minutes.html xfq
14:25:42 <Bert> ... Define tracked repos and labels, similar to how we do with WHATWG.
14:25:59 <Bert> ... Anybody can be a liaison person?
14:27:07 <Bert> ... Their meeting is also on Thursday, later than ours.
14:28:28 <Bert> JcK: Can we standardize on calling the "ECMA TG 39", because there are other TG 39s.
14:28:34 <addison> Topic: I18N+CSS
14:28:40 <Bert> s/the /them /
14:29:09 <Bert> s/TG/TC/g
14:30:06 <Bert> addison: Florian doesn't have time for a i18n+CSS meeting.
14:30:08 <r12a> s/Benticide/Fantasai/
14:30:15 <Bert> ... What do we want to do?
14:30:24 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2025Aug/0001.html
14:30:30 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2025Aug/0002.html
14:31:09 <Bert> xfq: Any other people from CSS interested and able to join?
14:31:39 <Bert> addison: Or do we send somebody to their meeting, who reports back?
14:32:50 <Bert> addison: More participation in our group would be good. Or we can go back to ad-hoc meetings.
14:33:07 <Bert> xfq: I won't be able to join the CSS meeting, because of the time.
14:33:50 <Bert> r12a: And much of their stuff is not relevant to us, if we attend their meeting.
14:34:44 <Bert> addison: We can try to manage things with labels. And maybe go to their call once a month and arrange with Alan to schedule some issues at the start of the call.
14:34:54 <Bert> r12a: Seems a useful callback.
14:35:14 <r12a> s/callback/fallback/
14:35:18 <Bert> addison: Should I propose that? The existing call on the calendar isn't doing anything.
14:35:18 <addison> action: addison: respond to CSS, cancel existing call, propose ideas for future cooperation per today's telecon
14:35:20 <gb> Created -> action #182 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/182
14:35:33 <Bert> s/callback/fallback/
14:35:56 <Bert> r12a: We should probably monitor their agendas as well.
14:36:37 <Bert> addison: I use a label on their GitHub issues.
14:37:08 <Bert> ... It would be good if they could also reach out to us if they stumble upon an issue.
14:37:28 <Bert> ... We have to do a lot of polling and there are a lot of groups...
14:37:41 <addison> Topic: I18N Glossary
14:38:23 <addison> agenda?
14:38:30 <Bert> addison: We talked about some options. When do you want to talk about it again?
14:38:46 <xfq> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jGup6Z9dO0OAeSfM6zZhTeT_E5eM9lDOVWo_Ec37mn0/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.133jkq9f9qj
14:38:51 <Bert> xfq: We didn't have a conclusion, did we?
14:39:00 <Bert> ... Here are the options ^^
14:39:20 <Bert> ... I'm inclined to keep it as a note for now.
14:39:41 <Bert> ... And we could make it a Rec-track when we recharter next time.
14:40:10 <Bert> ... Then aother WGS can link to it without worrying about non-normative references.
14:40:23 <Bert> addison: There is a bunch of work in there.
14:40:43 <Bert> ... We need to start behaving as if it were normative.
14:41:13 <Bert> xfq: Make normative and non-normative sections.
14:41:24 <Bert> addison: I made a list, which could be mnaintained.
14:42:13 <Bert> xfq: We can use that list as a start.
14:42:21 <Bert> ... I can look into this.
14:42:31 <Bert> ... And start rewriting.
14:42:59 <Bert> ... When we have a normative-like document when we recharter, it will be relatively easyt to republish it.
14:43:29 <addison> agenda?
14:43:39 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:43:39 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:44:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/08/07-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:44:47 <addison> zakim, bye
14:44:47 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, Jck, Fuqiao, Bert, Richard, atsushi
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