W3C

RDF & SPARQL WG weekly meeting

05 June 2025

Attendees

Present
AndyS, AZ, csarven, doerthe, draggett, eBremer, fsasaki, james, niklasl, pchampin, pfps, Souri, TallTed, tl
Regrets
enrico, ktk, ora
Chair
pchampin
Scribe
pfps, pchampin

Meeting minutes

Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: 1 , 2

pchampin: I'm chairing, so long as my voice holds out

pchampin: Approval of minutes

they look fine to me

<pchampin> PROPOSAL: approve minutes from the last two meetings?

<fsasaki> +1

<eBremer> +1

<niklasl> +1

<AndyS> +1

<james> +1

<pfps> +1

<tl> +1

<AZ> +1

tallted: the 22nd doesn't have links to the previous and next meeting

pchampin: I'll do that

RESOLUTION: approve minutes from the last two meetings (modulo the change suggested by TallTed)

Proposal for next week's discussion

<pchampin> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6

pchampin: pasting link to potential topics

pchampin: what remains from the needs discussion issues?

andys: items 1 through 3 were discussed last time

<niklasl> I agree as far as I recall.

<pchampin> w3c/rdf-star-wg#161

<gb> Issue 161 Expected behavior of systems when profile does not match used features (by gkellogg) [needs discussion]

<pchampin> w3c/rdf-n-triples#58

<gb> Pull Request 58 Version announcement. (by gkellogg) [needs discussion] [spec:enhancement]

<pchampin> w3c/rdf-concepts#205

<gb> Issue 205 Discussion - what advice to put in RDF specs about the handling of version labels. (by afs) [needs discussion]

pchampin: can we remove needs discussion from those three?

pchampin: we don't need a formal resolution and there are no objections so let's do it

pfps: there was also a long dicussion of the fourth item

<pchampin> w3c/rdf-schema#45

<gb> Issue 45 Acknowledge the two purposes of this document (by pchampin) [needs discussion] [spec:editorial]

pchampin: removing needs discussion from that one as well

<AndyS> https://www.w3.org/2025/05/29-rdf-star-minutes.html#02a6

niklasl: dominic was going to make some changes to implement what is needed for that one

pchampin: we can add an action on dominic, to keep track of things

ACTION: domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45

ACTION: domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45

<gb> Created action #162

<niklasl> We also didn't discuss the first item on last week's agenda; i.e. "Unstar algorithm and upcoming the RDF Concept CR": https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2025May/0011.html (because we wanted pchampin present ;) )

andys: I took an action item to come up with examples related to . and .. for the on IRI handling

pchampin: I'm remove needs discussion from that one as well

pchampin: this leaves a short list

pchampin: was any decision made on the "basic encoding"

andys: my recollection was that there was going to be a note

niklasl: we deferred that because pchampin wasn't present

pchampin: we should quickly come up with something for this one

pchampin: creating an issue for extracting the unstar algorithm into a note

pchampin: let's discuss the "basic encoding" note as the first thing

niklasl: the last one is closely related

pchampin: it might not be urgent but it is related to the note

andys: we need to talk about getting documents out

andys: one of things to talk about is tests

<tl> w3c/rdf-star-wg#130

<gb> Issue 130 vocabulary to refer to the individual nodes in a reified triple term (by rat10) [needs discussion]

pchampin: we'll talk about this at the next chairs meeting

<Zakim> pfps, you wanted to talk about 170

pfps: issue 130 is something that we need to solve before making progress in Semantics

pchampin: i concur so let's put it up for discussion

pchampin: something on tests makes sense for next week

pchampin: there doesn't seem to be a good issue to use for this purpose

pchampin: I'll create an issue - now third on the list

Review of open actions, available at 3

pchampin: anyone want to claim victory?

pchampin: the echidna action is unpaused but still might need work

niklasl: the owlification note depends on the basic encoding note

Review of pull requests, available at 4

pchampin: progress on concepts? andy?

andys: there might be some outstanding comments on the open ones

w3c/rdf-concepts#182

andys: the keywords PR was going to be closed

pfps: we owe the submitter a comment before closing

pchampin: there was dicussion but it is not linked

pchampin: the discussion was along the lines that this should be done systematically through the all the documents

csarven: it's fine to leave this as is

pchampin: that's good - could you close the issue then?

pchampin: can we close this without prejudice?

pfps: any change should only be done on direction from above

pfps: the wording is formulaic and in many document

tallted: it would be good to add a subtopic on 182

pchampin: PRs on concrete syntaxes

i have to leave at the official end time

Issue Triage, available at 5

pchampin: any issues that can be closed?

pchampin: issues with tag ms:CR should be looked at

pchampin: please look at these issues as they should be addressed before CR

pchampin: they could be tagged as needs discussion

tallted: we will have to make progress on these

tallted: it is too bad that we can sort this in some nice way

pchampin: at one time I went through these

andys: there are several that are labeled as future work that don't have to show up

bye now

pchampin: AndyS please save that change to the dashboard

Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting

AndyS: no SPARQL TF meeting tomorrow
… there will be one next week

<niklasl> http://www.lotico.com/index.php/Next_Generation_RDF_and_SPARQL

niklasl: AndyS and I will be presenting the future of RDF in Lotico next week

james: anybody who might want to attend need to request an access code. You can't get it at the last minute.

pchampin: adjourned

Summary of action items

  1. domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45
  2. domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45

Summary of resolutions

  1. approve minutes from the last two meetings (modulo the change suggested by TallTed)
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 244 (Thu Feb 27 01:23:09 2025 UTC).

Diagnostics

Succeeded: s|action domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45|action domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45 |

Succeeded: s/somethig/something/

Succeeded: s/recollection wa that/recollection was that/

Succeeded: s/[searching for something]/creating an issue for extracting the unstar algorithm into a note

Succeeded: s/170/130/

Warning: ‘i/andys: the keywords PR was going to be closed/subtopic: w3c/rdf-concepts#182’ interpreted as inserting ‘subtopic: w3c/rdf-concepts#182’ before ‘andys: the keywords PR was going to be closed’

Succeeded: i/andys: the keywords PR was going to be closed/subtopic: w3c/rdf-concepts#182

All speakers: andys, csarven, james, niklasl, pchampin, pfps, tallted

Active on IRC: AndyS, AZ, csarven, doerthe, draggett, eBremer, fsasaki, james, niklasl, pchampin, pfps, Souri, TallTed, tl