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16:03:34 <pfps> zakim, who is here?
16:03:34 <Zakim> Present: niklasl, AndyS, pfps, fsasaki, james, AZ, tl
16:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see TallTed, AZ, tl, james, RRSAgent, Zakim, niklasl, AndyS, pfps, fsasaki, gkellogg, pchampin, driib5, gb, gtw, csarven, agendabot, rhiaro, ktk, Tpt, m2gbot
16:03:34 <AndyS> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/40c79d60-8147-4da7-8185-c39434216daf/20250605T120000/#agenda
16:03:35 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:03:35 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/05/22-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/05/29-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:03:35 <agendabot> agenda+ Proposal for next week's discussion
16:03:36 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
16:03:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
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16:03:44 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
16:03:45 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
16:03:55 <eBremer> present+
16:03:57 <pfps> zakim, open agendum 1
16:03:57 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/05/22-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/05/29-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:04:00 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
16:04:39 <pfps> pchampin:  I'm chairing, so long as my voice holds out
16:05:08 <pfps> pchampin: Approval of minutes
16:05:13 <pfps> they look fine to me
16:05:20 <pchampin> PROPOSAL: approve minutes from the last two meetings?
16:05:23 <fsasaki> +1
16:05:24 <eBremer> +1
16:05:25 <niklasl> +1
16:05:29 <AndyS> +1
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16:06:27 <TallTed> present+
16:06:35 <pfps> tallted: the 22nd doesn't have links to the previous and next meeting
16:06:41 <pfps> pchampin:  I'll do that
16:07:15 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/06/12-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:07:17 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/05/29-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:07:22 <pchampin> RESOLVED: approve minutes from the last two meetings (modulo the change suggested by TallTed)
16:07:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:08:07 <TallTed> chair: pchampin
16:08:36 <pchampin> present+
16:08:41 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
16:08:41 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Proposal for next week's discussion -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:09:08 <pchampin> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6
16:09:15 <pfps> pchampin: pasting link to potential topics
16:09:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:09:44 <pchampin> q?
16:09:47 <AndyS> q+
16:10:02 <pfps> pchampin: what remains from the needs discussion issues?
16:10:11 <pchampin> ack AndyS
16:10:22 <TallTed> regrets+ ora, ktk
16:10:43 <pfps> andys: items 1 through 3 were discussed last time
16:10:51 <niklasl> I agree as far as I recall.
16:10:55 <pchampin> q?
16:11:33 <pchampin> w3c/rdf-star-wg#161
16:11:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/161 -> Issue 161 Expected behavior of systems when profile does not match used features (by gkellogg) [needs discussion]
16:11:48 <pchampin> w3c/rdf-n-triples#58
16:11:48 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/58 -> Pull Request 58 Version announcement. (by gkellogg) [needs discussion] [spec:enhancement]
16:12:00 <pchampin> w3c/rdf-concepts#205
16:12:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/205 -> Issue 205 Discussion - what advice to put in RDF specs about the handling of version labels. (by afs) [needs discussion]
16:12:02 <pfps> pchampin: can we remove needs discussion from those three?
16:12:39 <pfps> pchampin: we don't need a formal resolution and there are no objections so let's do it
16:13:27 <pfps> pfps: there was also a long dicussion of the fourth item
16:13:49 <pchampin> w3c/rdf-schema#45
16:13:49 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-schema/issues/45 -> Issue 45 Acknowledge the two purposes of this document (by pchampin) [needs discussion] [spec:editorial]
16:13:56 <pfps> pchampin: removing needs discussion from that one as well
16:14:07 <niklasl> q+
16:14:16 <pchampin> ack niklasl
16:14:26 <AndyS> https://www.w3.org/2025/05/29-rdf-star-minutes.html#02a6
16:14:53 <pfps> niklasl: dominic was going to make some changes to implement what is needed for that one
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16:15:49 <pfps> pchampin: we can add an action on dominic, to keep track of things
16:16:18 <csarven> present+
16:16:33 <pchampin> action domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45
16:17:11 <pchampin> Action: domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45
16:17:19 <gb> Created -> action #162 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/162
16:17:22 <niklasl> We also didn't discuss the first item on last week's agenda; i.e. "Unstar algorithm and upcoming the RDF Concept CR": https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2025May/0011.html (because we wanted pchampin present ;) )
16:17:40 <AndyS> q+
16:17:40 <TallTed> s|action domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45|action domel to make a proposal for a new plan on RDF-schema, per w3c/rdf-schema/45 |
16:17:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:18:56 <pfps> andys: I took an action item to come up with examples related to . and .. for the on IRI handling
16:19:16 <pfps> pchampin: I'm remove needs discussion from that one as well
16:19:26 <niklasl> q+
16:19:40 <pfps> pchampin: this leaves a short list
16:20:39 <pchampin> ack AndyS
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16:20:47 <pfps> pchampin: was any decision made on the "basic encoding"
16:20:52 <Souri> present+
16:21:07 <pfps> andys: my recollection wa that there was going to be a note
16:21:35 <pfps> niklasl: we deferred that because pchampin wasn't present
16:22:02 <AndyS> q+
16:22:08 <pfps> pchampin: we should quickly come up with somethig for this one
16:22:19 <pfps> s/somethig/something/
16:23:01 <eBremer> s/recollection wa that/recollection was that/
16:23:24 <pfps> pchampin: [searching for something]
16:24:18 <pchampin> s/[searching for something]/creating an issue for extracting the unstar algorithm into a note
16:24:33 <pchampin> q?
16:24:46 <pchampin> ack niklasl
16:24:47 <pfps> pchampin: let's discuss the "basic encoding" note as the first thing
16:25:20 <pfps> niklasl: the last one is closely related
16:25:53 <pfps> pchampin: it might not be urgent but it is related to the note
16:26:04 <pfps> q+ to talk about 170
16:26:20 <pchampin> ack AndyS
16:26:28 <pfps> s/170/130/
16:26:48 <pfps> andys: we need to talk about getting documents out
16:27:11 <pfps> andys: one of things to talk about is tests
16:27:18 <pchampin> q?
16:27:20 <tl> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/130
16:27:21 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/130 -> Issue 130 vocabulary to refer to the individual nodes in a reified triple term (by rat10) [needs discussion]
16:27:26 <pfps> pchampin: we'll talk about this at the next chairs meeting
16:27:30 <pchampin> ack pfps
16:27:30 <Zakim> pfps, you wanted to talk about 170
16:28:24 <tl> q+
16:28:24 <pfps> pfps: issue 130 is something that we need to solve before making progress in Semantics
16:28:47 <tl> q-
16:28:51 <pfps> pchampin: i concur so let's put it up for discussion
16:29:05 <pchampin> q?
16:30:09 <pfps> pchampin: something on tests makes sense for next week
16:31:37 <pfps> pchampin: there doesn't seem to be a good issue to use for this purpose
16:32:45 <pfps> pchampin:  I'll create an issue - now third on the list
16:32:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:32:58 <pchampin> q?
16:33:11 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
16:33:11 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:33:44 <pchampin> q?
16:33:48 <pfps> pchampin: anyone want to claim victory?
16:34:27 <TallTed> regrets+ enrico
16:34:37 <niklasl> q+
16:34:55 <pfps> pchampin: the echidna action is unpaused but still might need work
16:35:33 <pfps> niklasl: the owlification note depends on the basic encoding note
16:35:47 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
16:35:47 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, pfps
16:35:51 <pfps> q+
16:35:55 <pfps> q=
16:35:57 <pfps> q-
16:36:10 <pchampin> q-
16:36:15 <pchampin> q- niklasl
16:36:16 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
16:36:16 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:37:16 <pfps> pchampin: progress on concepts? andy?
16:38:00 <pfps> andys: there might be some outstanding comments on the open ones
16:38:52 <pfps> andys: the keywords PR was going to be closed
16:39:46 <pfps> pfps: we owe the submitter a comment before closing
16:40:07 <pfps> pchampin: there was dicussion but it is not linked
16:41:33 <csarven> q+
16:41:48 <pchampin> ack csarven
16:41:49 <pfps> pchampin: the discussion was along the lines that this should be done systematically through the all the documents
16:43:00 <pfps> csarven: it's fine to leave this as is
16:43:14 <pfps> pchampin: that's good - could you close the issue then?
16:43:35 <pfps> q+
16:43:57 <pfps> pchampin: can we close this without prejudice?
16:45:08 <pfps> pfps: any change should only be done on direction from above
16:45:22 <pfps> pfps: the wording is formulaic and in many document
16:45:27 <pfps> q-
16:46:32 <pfps> tallted: it would be good to add a subtopic on 182
16:46:33 <pchampin> i/andys: the keywords PR was going to be closed/subtopic: w3c/rdf-concepts#182
16:46:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:47:07 <pfps> pchampin: PRs on concrete syntaxes
16:47:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
16:47:19 <pchampin> q?
16:47:21 <pchampin> agenda?
16:47:53 <pfps> i have to leave at the official end time
16:48:40 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
16:48:40 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:49:18 <pfps> pchampin: any issues that can be closed?
16:49:25 <pchampin> q?
16:50:42 <pfps> pchampin: issues with tag ms:CR should be looked at
16:51:32 <TallTed> q+
16:51:44 <pfps> pchampin: please look at these issues as they should be addressed before CR
16:52:33 <pfps> pchampin: they could be tagged as needs discussion
16:52:48 <pfps> tallted: we will have to make progress on these
16:53:30 <pfps> tallted: it is too bad that we can sort this in some nice way
16:53:47 <pfps> pchampin: at one time I went through these
16:53:55 <AndyS> q+
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16:54:24 <pchampin> ack TallTed
16:54:26 <pchampin> ack AndyS
16:54:57 <pfps> andys: there are several that are labeled as future work that don't have to show up
16:55:26 <pchampin> q?
16:55:32 <pfps> bye now
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16:56:01 <pchampin> scribe+
16:56:28 <pchampin> pchampin: AndyS please save that change to the dashboard
16:56:35 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
16:56:35 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:57:01 <pchampin> AndyS: no SPARQL TF meeting tomorrow
16:57:06 <pchampin> ... there will be one next week
16:57:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:57:25 <niklasl> http://www.lotico.com/index.php/Next_Generation_RDF_and_SPARQL
16:57:39 <james> q+
16:57:42 <pchampin> niklasl: AndyS and I will be presenting the future of RDF in Lotico next week
16:57:46 <pchampin> ack james
16:58:30 <pchampin> james: anybody who might want to attend need to request an access code. You can't get it at the last minute.
16:58:59 <pchampin> pchampin: adjourned
16:59:03 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:59:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
16:59:48 <pchampin> meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG weekly meeting
16:59:50 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:59:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/06/05-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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