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– DRAFT –
XForms Group Weekly Teleconference

18 April 2025

Attendees

Present
Alain, Erik, Steven
Regrets
-
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Steven

Meeting minutes

Action: Make switch more like a group

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0011

Steven: If you are happy, I'll close this

Action: Steven to update properties on controls

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0008

Alain: OK with the changes, but a question with label etc.
… if it is on the control as well as in the model.

Steven: Combination is not allowed.

Alain: It would be better for the control to override the model
… generic in the model, but specific for a particular control.

Steven: Yes, Erik, which do you think?

Erik: In HTML you have an input with a label, even more than one, but it is possible to have a label with arria-labelled-by, and I think youi can have multiple labels for screen readers
… ... you would need a way to decide which is displayed when.

Steven: Slightly different issue. Alain would like to have a label binding, but with the control overriding it.

Erik: I'm tempted to allow an override rather than rejecting

ACTION: Steven to suggest how to override label etc bindings

Controls that read simpleContent instance data

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0012

Steven: Two questions

Erik: The second question related to simple content with comments or something as well, and how that works

Erik: upload writes to its reference

Steven: You are right

Steven: My question is really, in places where we read, can we not just concatenate all text nodes as a generalisation (as is done by output now, de facto, though strictly disallowed by the spec)?\

Erik: Does this also apply to input on a read-only node?

Steven: A different question, but we should address it as well.

Alain: output with a mediatype, for instance svg
… doesn't this mean that there is a default mediatype of text/plain\
… ?
… Output of html is a serialisation of html
… it is not complex content

Erik: Do we specifiy it in the the text? We store the serialised string of the html, not nested XML elements
… for SVG we don't say anything.
… Are you suggesting there is a case where wee read and write complex content?

Alain: Just SVG, but stored as text, but add the mediatype

Alain: The SVG would be stored as complex data

Steven: And you want output to work for that?

Alain: Yes.

Steven: We need more time to think about this use case; let's discuss next week.

ACTION: Steven MIPs and trigger

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jun/0006

Steven: I have use cases where validity should stop the trigger from working.
… so I would like us to consider how we would like trigger to react on properties in general.
… for relevance the trigger is not visible, readonly it is visible and not activatable. I would like validity to make it non activatable as well.

Steven: Would you be ok with that?

Both: Yes

ACTION: Steven to write text for validity on trigger

Alain: We need a way to submit nonvalid data as well

Steven: I'll bear that in mind

AOB

Steven: Next week OK, the week after regrets from me.

Summary of action items

  1. Steven to suggest how to override label etc bindings
  2. Steven to write text for validity on trigger
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All speakers: Alain, Both, Erik, Steven

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