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13:44:17 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:44:17 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:44:17 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/04/11-forms-minutes
13:44:31 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0013
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14:01:07 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:01:18 <Steven> Topic Action: Make switch more like a group
14:01:18 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0011
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14:02:28 <Steven> Steven: If you are happy, I'll close this
14:03:12 <Steven> Topic: Actton: Steven to update properties on controls
14:03:20 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0008
14:03:28 <Steven> s/Actton/Action/
14:04:01 <Steven> Alain: OK with the changes, but a question with label etc.
14:04:44 <Steven> ... if it is on the control as well as in the model.
14:05:01 <Steven> Steven: Combination is not allowed.
14:05:23 <Steven> Alain: It would be better for the control to override the model
14:05:39 <Steven> ... generic in the model, but specific for a particular control.
14:05:56 <Steven> Steven: Yes, Erik, which do you think?
14:06:47 <Steven> Erik: In HTML you have an input with a label, even more than one, but it is possible to have a label with arria-labelled-by, and I think youi can have multiple labels for screen readers
14:07:39 <Steven> ... ... you would need a way to decide which is displayed when.
14:08:16 <Steven> Steven: SLightly different issue. Alain would like to have a label binding, but with the control overriding it.
14:08:21 <Steven> s/SL/Sl/
14:09:07 <Steven> Erik: I'm tempted to allow an override rather than rejecting
14:09:36 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to suggest how to override label etc bindings
14:10:34 <Steven> Topic: Controls that read simpleContent instance data
14:10:45 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2025Apr/0012
14:13:10 <Steven> Steven: Two questions
14:14:12 <Steven> Erik: The second question related to simple content with comments or something as well, and how that works
14:15:36 <Steven> Erik: upload writes to its reference
14:15:42 <Steven> Steven: You are right
14:18:16 <Steven> Steven: My question is really, in places where we read, can we not just concatenate all text nodes as a generalisation (as is done by output now, de facto, though strictly disallowed by the spec)?\
14:18:31 <Steven> Erik: Does this also apply to input on a read-only node?
14:18:45 <Steven> Steven: A different question, but we shoudl address it as well.
14:20:35 <Steven> s/dl/ld/
14:23:09 <Steven> Alain: output with a mediatype, for instance svg
14:23:21 <Steven> ... doesn't this mean that there is a default mediatype of text/plain\
14:23:27 <Steven> ... ?
14:23:38 <Steven> ... Output of html is a serialisation of html
14:23:48 <Steven> ... it is not complex content
14:24:21 <Steven> Erik: Do we specifiy it in the the text? We store the serialised string of the html, not nested XML elements
14:24:29 <Steven> ... for SVG we don;t say anything.
14:24:49 <Steven> ... Are you suggesting there is a case where wee read and write complex content?
14:25:09 <Steven> Alain: Jusf SVG, but stored as text, but add the mediatype
14:25:17 <Steven> s/Jusf/Just/
14:25:49 <Steven> Alain: The SVG would be stored as complex data
14:26:05 <Steven> Steven: And you want output to work for that?
14:26:24 <Steven> Alain: Yes.
14:26:51 <Steven> Steven: We need more time to think about this use case; let's discuss next week.
14:27:05 <Steven> Topic: ACTION: Steven MIPs and trigger
14:27:05 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2024Jun/0006
14:28:05 <Steven> Steven: I have use cases where validity should stop the trigger from working.
14:28:35 <Steven> ... so I would like us to consider how we would like trihgger to react on properties in general.
14:29:21 <Steven> ... for relevance the trigegr is not visible, readonly it is visible and not activatable. I would like validity to make it non activatable as well.
14:29:42 <Steven> Steven: W|ould you be ok with htat?
14:29:45 <Steven> Both: Yes
14:29:57 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to write text for validity on trigger
14:30:35 <Steven> Alain: We need a way to submit nonvalid data as well
14:30:45 <Steven> Steven: I'll bear that in mind
14:30:56 <Steven> Topic: AOB
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14:31:27 <Steven> Steven: Next week OK, the week after regrets from me.
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