W3C

– DRAFT –
WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference

27 March 2025

Attendees

Present
bruce_bailey, ChrisLoiselle, GreggVan, maryjom, PhilDay, shadi
Regrets
Laura, Loic, Mitch, ShawnT
Chair
Chris Loiselle, Mary Jo Mueller
Scribe
maryjom

Meeting minutes

<ChrisLoiselle> Important links, WCAG2ICT "Explainer", https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14.

<ChrisLoiselle> Analysis spreadsheet , https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRGxHxV0mBEI_rvcc2EXS9xcBanQjG6k/edit?gid=1726579776#gid=1726579776

<ChrisLoiselle> WCAG2Mobile, https://w3c.github.io/matf/

<ChrisLoiselle> ChrisLoiselle: Present+

<ChrisLoiselle> Important links, WCAG2ICT "Explainer", https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14

<ChrisLoiselle> Analysis spreadsheet , https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRGxHxV0mBEI_rvcc2EXS9xcBanQjG6k/edit?gid=1726579776#gid=1726579776

<ChrisLoiselle> WCAG2Mobile, https://w3c.github.io/matf/

Announcements

<ChrisLoiselle> MaryJo: Mobile Accessibility Task Force was approved for CfC regarding WCAG2Mobile. We should review to make sure it aligns with WCAG2ICT

Colorado rulemaking on accessible ICT: https://oit.colorado.gov/hearings-rulemaking

<ChrisLoiselle> MaryJo: CO rule reg making update on self contained systems and AT use

<ChrisLoiselle> MaryJo: Rule on accessible ICT. Rule will be effective as of June 30th. ITI is responding. It does have some issues.

Develop WCAG2ICT "Explainer" Content

<ChrisLoiselle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14

chris: Went through outline of the document.

<bruce_bailey> looks good to me

<bruce_bailey> +1 i think it is evergreen landing page

mary jo: I think we should link to WCAG2 at a glance since we cover all 3 versions of WCAG

Gregg: I agree
… it's an evergreen page.

Gregg: we haven't covered AAA, yet?

Mary Jo: No, not yet. we can update the document once we finish AAA

chris: continues to go through document sections
… In Intent and Usage section

maryjo: I'll remove the DoJ note reminder.

<bruce_bailey> GreggVan -- i think the idea was to have a sentence or two responsive to the DOJ regulation already published

<bruce_bailey> i agree that there will not be new guidance from DOJ

chris...Let's look at last paragraph of the intent and usage section.

gregg: Should remove the MATF sentence at the end.
… makes this document dated.

<bruce_bailey> +1 to not over promissing

mary jo: Don't object to removing the last sentence.

chris: Who is WCAG2ICT for section

gregg: should add "any" to the last bullet

<bruce_bailey> How pedantic do we want to be about writing "WCAG2ICT Note" (versus "WCAG2ICT")?

chris: "standard developers" and "ICT developers" seem redundant

mary jo: "standard" should be "standard"

bruce: We're not consistent in use of "WCAG2ICT". We should have "Task Force" or "Note" after WCAG2ICT to be clear whenever it is used.

Chris: On What WCAG2ICT Does Not Do section...

Gregg: Need to remove the editor's notes from this section

Mary Jo: Yes, remove that and the names on the section titles.

Chris: Is "note" uppercase or lowercase?

mary Jo: It's a W3C defined term, so capitalized "Note" should be used.

<ChrisLoiselle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0

chris: Glossary section - analyzed this for what terms and links we should have.

chris: Need to include "functional performance"

gregg: We shouldn't be raising the topic of functional performance.
… it isn't covered as a topic either in this document or in WCAG2ICT.
… I don't think we need a definition of ICT and don't have any new terms that aren't already in WCAG.

chris: ETSI and W3C have different ICT definitions

gregg: Since the definitions are different, we need to eliminate the definition. Since different regulations have different definitions, we don't want to show a preference.

gregg: functional performance is also defined differently and used differently in 508 versus the EN 301 549, so we shouldn't include that.

<bruce_bailey> +1 to removing glossary

chris: Should we remove the glossary?

<GreggVan> +1 remove

chris: we don't have any terms to define at this point.

<PhilDay> +1 to remove

<GreggVan> +1 to remove bullet

<PhilDay> +1 to remove

On functional performance bullet in the section What WCAG2ICT doesn't do...any objections to removing?

Group agreed to remove...

Chris: References section

Gregg: References are usually documents used to create this document. So it's a bit of a misnomer for this list of documents.

mary jo: Should we use "Related documents" instead of "References"?

gregg: That works.

Chris: Looks like we can change that section name and remove the "Informative references" section to clean that up.
… the comment from Mary Jo on the EN version. Which version should we use?

gregg: We should link to the latest published EN 301 549
… then remove "V3.2.1 March 2021" from the EN 301 549 bullet.

mary jo: We should indent the country-specific versions of the EN - those are the country-specific standards.

phil: Concerned about country-specific versions having changed requirements from the EN 301 549.

gregg: Citing these shouldn't have the date. We want these to apply to any particular version of these standards.

phil: Agree, remove the dates on those standards.

gregg: We should also remove 2.2 from WCAG

Group agreed to remove the dates off of the referenced standards.

gregg: Is the formal name "Group Note"?

Mary Jo: yes it is.

Gregg: Bruce made live edits for the group note throughout the document.

bruce: There's one instance of "this document" in a heading that is unclear. Should we remove the heading?

Group...seems reasonable to remove that heading.

gregg: Under "Related Documents" the 5th bullet is referring to our own document as a related document. Isn't there a link earlier to our Group Note? Unless we point back to the original one, we should delete that item.

Group agreed to remove.

Chris: Going through the live editorial changes proposed by Bruce.
… all edits accepted.

Chris: Went through the remaining comments to accept/reject them for final document cleanup.

Chris: Question...where should we publish this explainer.

<GreggVan> 04N07i08c03e12 02w06o04r07k08 03C12h02r06i04s

https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/groups/task-forces/wcag2ict/#current-work

WCAG2ICT overview page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/wcag/non-web-ict/

gregg: Under Summary on this page, we could add "explainer" links right before the guidance - under the text "quick link"

<ChrisLoiselle> Proposal: Vote to place explainer as first bullet in quick links (adding an s to link) on https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/wcag/non-web-ict/ as a PR

<maryjom> +1

<GreggVan> +1

mary jo: We'll have to continue this conversation next week.

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