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12:39:57 <Zakim> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
12:40:01 <ChrisLoiselle> zakim, clear agenda
12:40:01 <Zakim> agenda cleared
12:40:10 <ChrisLoiselle> chair:  Mary Jo Mueller , Chris Loiselle
12:40:17 <ChrisLoiselle> meeting:  WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
12:40:26 <ChrisLoiselle> rrsagent, make minutes
12:40:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html ChrisLoiselle
12:40:37 <ChrisLoiselle> Zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
12:40:37 <Zakim> ok, ChrisLoiselle
12:40:45 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+ Announcements
12:41:10 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+Develop WCAG2ICT "Explainer" Content
12:41:28 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+Analysis spreadsheet
12:41:47 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda+Continue to review Guidance on Applying WCAG 2.2 to Mobile Applications (WCAG2Mobile)
12:42:38 <ChrisLoiselle> regrets: Mitch, Laura, Loic
12:43:24 <ChrisLoiselle> Important links, WCAG2ICT "Explainer", https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14.
12:43:34 <ChrisLoiselle> Analysis spreadsheet , https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRGxHxV0mBEI_rvcc2EXS9xcBanQjG6k/edit?gid=1726579776#gid=1726579776
12:43:57 <ChrisLoiselle> WCAG2Mobile, https://w3c.github.io/matf/
12:50:41 <ChrisLoiselle> present+
13:04:07 <ChrisLoiselle> ChrisLoiselle: Present+
13:04:09 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
13:26:02 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
13:42:37 <ChrisLoiselle> regrets: Mitch, Laura, Loic, ShawnT
13:52:35 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
13:52:55 <ChrisLoiselle> Important links, WCAG2ICT "Explainer", https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14
13:52:55 <ChrisLoiselle> 
13:52:55 <ChrisLoiselle> Analysis spreadsheet , https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cRGxHxV0mBEI_rvcc2EXS9xcBanQjG6k/edit?gid=1726579776#gid=1726579776
13:52:55 <ChrisLoiselle> 
13:52:55 <ChrisLoiselle> WCAG2Mobile, https://w3c.github.io/matf/
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14:01:30 <ChrisLoiselle> agenda?
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14:03:48 <bruce_bailey> zakim, agenda?
14:03:48 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:03:49 <Zakim> 1. Announcements [from ChrisLoiselle]
14:03:49 <Zakim> 2. Develop WCAG2ICT "Explainer" Content [from ChrisLoiselle]
14:03:49 <Zakim> 3. Analysis spreadsheet [from ChrisLoiselle]
14:03:49 <Zakim> 4. Continue to review Guidance on Applying WCAG 2.2 to Mobile Applications (WCAG2Mobile) [from ChrisLoiselle]
14:05:35 <maryjom> scribe+
14:05:45 <maryjom> zakim, take up item 1
14:05:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
14:06:39 <ChrisLoiselle> MaryJo: Mobile Accessibility Task Force was approved for CfC regarding WCAG2Mobile. We should review to make sure it aligns with WCAG2ICT
14:07:33 <maryjom> Colorado rulemaking on accessible ICT: https://oit.colorado.gov/hearings-rulemaking
14:07:34 <ChrisLoiselle> MaryJo: CO rule reg making update on self contained systems and AT use
14:08:35 <ChrisLoiselle> MaryJo: Rule on accessible ICT. Rule will be effective as of June 30th. ITI is responding. It does have some issues.
14:09:49 <maryjom> zakim, take up next
14:09:49 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Develop WCAG2ICT "Explainer" Content -- taken up [from ChrisLoiselle]
14:10:09 <ChrisLoiselle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.wlcptmhola14
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14:12:07 <GreggVan> present+
14:12:53 <maryjom> chris: Went through outline of the document.
14:12:56 <bruce_bailey> looks good to me
14:14:53 <bruce_bailey> +1 i think it is evergreen landing page
14:15:21 <maryjom> mary jo: I think we should link to WCAG2 at a glance since we cover all 3 versions of WCAG
14:15:27 <maryjom> Gregg: I agree
14:15:34 <maryjom> ...it's an evergreen page.
14:16:22 <maryjom> Gregg: we haven't covered AAA, yet?
14:16:36 <maryjom> Mary Jo: No, not yet. we can update the document once we finish AAA
14:17:03 <maryjom> chris: continues to go through document sections
14:17:39 <maryjom> ...In Intent and Usage section
14:18:08 <maryjom> maryjo: I'll remove the DoJ note reminder.
14:18:15 <bruce_bailey> GreggVan -- i think the idea was to have a sentence or two responsive to the DOJ regulation already published
14:18:36 <bruce_bailey> i agree that there will not be new guidance from DOJ
14:19:02 <maryjom> chris...Let's look at last paragraph of the intent and usage section.
14:19:20 <maryjom> gregg: Should remove the MATF sentence at the end.
14:19:31 <maryjom> ...makes this document dated.
14:19:42 <bruce_bailey> +1 to not over promissing
14:20:06 <maryjom> mary jo: Don't object to removing the last sentence.
14:20:42 <maryjom> chris: Who is WCAG2ICT for section
14:20:54 <bruce_bailey> q+
14:21:10 <maryjom> gregg: should add "any" to the last bullet
14:21:36 <bruce_bailey> How pedantic do we want to be about writing "WCAG2ICT Note" (versus "WCAG2ICT")?
14:22:00 <maryjom> chris: "standard developers" and "ICT developers" seem redundant
14:22:16 <maryjom> mary jo: "standard" should be "standard"
14:23:13 <maryjom> bruce: We're not consistent in use of "WCAG2ICT". We should have "Task Force" or "Note" after WCAG2ICT to be clear whenever it is used.
14:24:05 <maryjom> Chris: On What WCAG2ICT Does Not Do section...
14:24:17 <maryjom> Gregg: Need to remove the editor's notes from this section
14:24:35 <maryjom> Mary Jo: Yes, remove that and the names on the section titles.
14:25:39 <maryjom> Chris: Is "note" uppercase or lowercase?
14:26:39 <maryjom> mary Jo: It's a W3C defined term, so capitalized "Note" should be used.
14:27:25 <ChrisLoiselle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hyei09Viby1bCoZnDLYwY9VWpzRvteK9pqt4v9sWCJE/edit?tab=t.0
14:27:31 <maryjom> chris: Glossary section - analyzed this for what terms and links we should have.
14:27:51 <maryjom> chris: Need to include "functional performance"
14:28:39 <maryjom> gregg: We shouldn't be raising the topic of functional performance.
14:28:57 <maryjom> ...it isn't covered as a topic either in this document or in WCAG2ICT.
14:29:18 <maryjom> ...I don't think we need a definition of ICT and don't have any new terms that aren't already in WCAG.
14:29:41 <maryjom> chris: ETSI and W3C have different ICT definitions
14:30:33 <maryjom> gregg: Since the definitions are different, we need to eliminate the definition. Since different regulations have different definitions, we don't want to show a preference.
14:31:17 <maryjom> gregg: functional performance is also defined differently and used differently in 508 versus the EN 301 549, so we shouldn't include that.
14:31:42 <bruce_bailey> +1 to removing glossary
14:31:46 <maryjom> chris: Should we remove the glossary?
14:31:50 <GreggVan> +1 remove
14:32:00 <maryjom> ...we don't have any terms to define at this point.
14:32:02 <PhilDay> +1 to remove
14:32:29 <GreggVan> +1  to remove bullet
14:32:44 <PhilDay> +1 to remove
14:32:54 <maryjom> On functional performance bullet in the section What WCAG2ICT doesn't do...any objections to removing?
14:33:15 <maryjom> Group agreed to remove...
14:33:40 <maryjom> Chris: References section
14:34:34 <maryjom> Gregg: References are usually documents used to create this document. So it's a bit of a misnomer for this list of documents.
14:35:42 <maryjom> mary jo: Should we use "Related documents" instead of "References"?
14:35:51 <maryjom> gregg: That works.
14:36:51 <maryjom> Chris: Looks like we can change that section name and remove the "Informative references" section to clean that up.
14:37:45 <maryjom> ...the comment from Mary Jo on the EN version. Which version should we use?
14:39:12 <maryjom> gregg: We should link to the latest published EN 301 549
14:40:24 <maryjom> ...then remove "V3.2.1 March 2021" from the EN 301 549 bullet.
14:42:15 <maryjom> mary jo: We should indent the country-specific versions of the EN - those are the country-specific standards.
14:42:42 <maryjom> phil: Concerned about country-specific versions having changed requirements from the EN 301 549.
14:43:46 <maryjom> gregg: Citing these shouldn't have the date. We want these to apply to any particular version of these standards.
14:44:02 <maryjom> phil: Agree, remove the dates on those standards.
14:45:27 <maryjom> gregg: We should also remove 2.2 from WCAG
14:45:47 <maryjom> Group agreed to remove the dates off of the referenced standards.
14:46:26 <maryjom> gregg: Is the formal name "Group Note"?
14:46:34 <maryjom> Mary Jo: yes it is.
14:46:59 <maryjom> Gregg: Bruce made live edits for the group note throughout the document.
14:47:47 <maryjom> bruce: There's one instance of "this document" in a heading that is unclear. Should we remove the heading?
14:48:01 <maryjom> Group...seems reasonable to remove that heading.
14:49:35 <maryjom> gregg: Under "Related Documents" the 5th bullet is referring to our own document as a related document. Isn't there a link earlier to our Group Note? Unless we point back to the original one, we should delete that item.
14:49:47 <maryjom> Group agreed to remove.
14:51:22 <maryjom> Chris: Going through the live editorial changes proposed by Bruce.
14:52:34 <maryjom> ...all edits accepted.
14:53:55 <maryjom> Chris: Went through the remaining comments to accept/reject them for final document cleanup.
14:56:36 <maryjom> Chris: Question...where should we publish this explainer.
14:56:42 <GreggVan> 04N07i08c03e12 02w06o04r07k08 03C12h02r06i04s
14:57:31 <maryjom> https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/groups/task-forces/wcag2ict/#current-work
14:58:38 <maryjom> WCAG2ICT overview page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/wcag/non-web-ict/
15:00:05 <maryjom> gregg: Under Summary on this page, we could add "explainer" link right before the guidance - under the text "quick link"
15:00:29 <maryjom> s/link/links/
15:00:29 <ChrisLoiselle> Proposal: Vote to place explainer as first bullet in quick links on https://www.w3.org/WAI/standards-guidelines/wcag/non-web-ict/ as a PR
15:00:56 <maryjom> +1
15:01:38 <GreggVan> s/links/links (adding an s to link)
15:01:55 <GreggVan> +1
15:02:05 <maryjom> mary jo: We'll have to continue this conversation next week.
15:02:15 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
15:02:22 <ChrisLoiselle> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html ChrisLoiselle
15:02:36 <maryjom> zakim, end meeting
15:02:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ChrisLoiselle, PhilDay, shadi, bruce_bailey, GreggVan
15:02:36 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:02:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
15:02:43 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, maryjom; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
15:02:43 <maryjom> present+
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15:02:51 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/27-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
15:03:19 <maryjom> rrsagent, bye
15:03:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items