Meeting minutes
Review agenda and next meeting dates
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Matt_King: Next week is CSUN, so there won't be an online meeting
Matt_King: Next Community Group Meeting: Thursday March 20
Matt_King: Next AT Driver Subgroup meeting: Monday March 10
Matt_King: Requests for changes to agenda?
IsaDC: I need to report an issue with reporting issues about the radio group
Matt_King: We can discuss that in the existing agenda item for radio group
Current status
Matt_King: We're still at 13 plans in Candidate Review (soon to be 14). Three in Draft review, and another slider coming up
Testing radio group with active descendant
Matt_King: On JAWS, it looks like we're still waiting on Hadi
IsaDC: I haven't heard from Hadi. I'm a little concerned about that because he's usually so active, and I don't think we've heard from him since January
Matt_King: I'm not sure what to do about this. In the mean time, we could have someone else run it
IsaDC: We don't have many JAWS testers; I think Luke may be the only option
James: Luke is out for the rest of the week, so we'll have to consider this next week
Matt_King: For NVDA, it looks like Luke has gone about halfway through.
Matt_King: I don't know why we have mmoss assigned to that because we have both Luke and IsaDC assigned
IsaDC: We forgot to un-assign mmoss
mmoss: I can un-assign myself, now
Matt_King: Okay. And for VoiceOver, we have some conflicts
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Matt_King: Joe_Humbert and IsaDC are getting different results
Matt_King: IsaDC's results look like the output you would get if quick nav was on instead of off
IsaDC: I double-checked that setting. I also ran the tests both ways just to be sure, and it made no difference
IsaDC: I was specifically using "arrow quick nav"
Matt_King: It's hard to understand how pressing an arrow key with "quick nav" off could even get you to the link
Matt_King: Ah, but in Safari, the arrow keys have this kind of functionality...
IsaDC: I'd like to see if someone else could run those tests and see what the results are
mmoss: I'm already assigned; I'm happy to run through it
IsaDC: Okay!
Matt_King: Last time we were looking at versions, everyone was on Safari version 18.3. Is that still the case?
IsaDC: Yes
mmoss: Yes
Joe_Humbert: There was a recent macOS update, but it didn't update Safari
Matt_King: It's okay if the macOS version changes, but if the VoiceOver version changes, that is a problem
IsaDC: I have macOS 15.3.1
Joe_Humbert: I did go through and test when I saw the conflicts, and I tested three or four times and got the same results every time
Matt_King: This is a pretty serious road block as well! I guess we'll figure it out
Matt_King: So for this Test Plan, we're stuck on JAWS (due to being short on resources), NVDA is paused until Luke is back, and for VoiceOver, the next step is for a third person to run it
Elizabeth: I can check out VoiceOver
Testing Radio group with roving tab index
Matt_King: I think we're in the same situation, here
Matt_King: We're done with NVDA. We will have to see if Luke can run the tests for JAWS when he is back
Testing updated disclosure nav menu plan
Matt_King: I don't see this in the test queue, yet
IsaDC: I have advanced it to draft just now. It's currently updating...
Matt_King: It saws that JAWS is 100% complete for two testers, so it took all the old results. It says the same for NVDA. Maybe we don't have to re-run it, after all
Matt_King: When this happens, there is a problem in the "report status" dialog because there are no links to the actual reports.
Matt_King: But I guess we can advance this to "recommended". Hopefully the results will show up, then
Matt_King: That's a good thing! That saves us on testing time
Testing media seek slider
Matt_King: We need some people to run this
Matt_King: Joe_Humbert, you're done with everything you're assigned to, correct?
Joe_Humbert: Correct
Matt_King: Awesome! We can assign Joe_Humbert and Dean to the VoiceOver for Seek Slider
Joe_Humbert: That works for me
IsaDC: What about NVDA? The Bot results are already populated
Matt_King: Elizabeth, are you ready? Do you want to do the NVDA?
Elizabeth: I don't have access to NVDA. I use a MacBook
Matt_King: Maybe Elizabeth and Joe_Humbert can do VoiceOver, instead. Then, Dean and Joe_Humbert can do NVDA
Matt_King: Or rather, Joe_Humbert and IsaDC on NVDA
Matt_King: Maybe if we have Joe_Humbert run JAWS instead of NVDA for the media seek slider
Matt_King: For the disclosure nav, we'll have to re-run that with the latest version of JAWS when it comes out
Matt_King: That means we have JAWS covered and VoiceOver covered for the media seek slider. For NVDA, it will be IsaDC and Dean
Matt_King: If you add from the top of the page, you can choose versions. If you add from the button in the table, then you cannot. I think that's a bug in our UI
Matt_King: This is our first test plan with negative assertions. They're saying that it's important that the screen reader did NOT do something
IsaDC: I am going to send the assignments out to the list just so we don't get confused about who is doing what
Matt_King: I hope Hadi is alright. It's so unusual to have such a long quiet spell. But I don't know how to contact him besides e-mail.
Matt_King: Thank you everybody! Have a wonderful afternoon, and thank you for your support