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19:57:55 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
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20:02:17 <jugglinmike> Zakim, start the meeting
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20:02:19 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jugglinmike
20:02:23 <jugglinmike> present+ jugglinmike
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20:02:35 <jugglinmike> present+ mmoss
20:02:40 <jugglinmike> present+ james
20:02:44 <jugglinmike> present+ IsaDC
20:02:49 <jugglinmike> present+ Matt_King
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20:04:36 <jugglinmike> meeting: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group Weekly Teleconference
20:04:46 <jugglinmike> topic: Review agenda and next meeting dates
20:04:48 <jugglinmike> https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/wiki/March-6%2C-2025-Agenda
20:04:57 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Next week is CSUN, so there won't be an online meeting
20:05:53 <jugglinmike> Matt_King:  Next Community Group Meeting: Thursday March 20
20:06:02 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Next AT Driver Subgroup meeting: Monday March 10
20:06:38 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Requests for changes to agenda?
20:11:23 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: I need to report an issue with reporting issues about the radio group
20:13:08 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We can discuss that in the existing agenda item for radio group
20:15:50 <jugglinmike> Topic: Current status
20:16:11 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We're still at 13 plans in Candidate Review (soon to be 14). Three in Draft review, and another slider coming up
20:16:23 <jugglinmike> Topic: Testing radio group with active descendant
20:16:43 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: On JAWS, it looks like we're still waiting on Hadi
20:17:20 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: I haven't heard from Hadi. I'm a little concerned about that because he's usually so active, and I don't think we've heard from him since January
20:18:34 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm not sure what to do about this. In the mean time, we could have someone else run it
20:18:45 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: We don't have many JAWS testers; I think Luke may be the only option
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20:20:30 <jugglinmike> James: Luke is out for the rest of the week, so we'll have to consider this next week
20:20:59 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: For NVDA, it looks like Luke has gone about halfway through.
20:21:14 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I don't know why we have mmoss assigned to that because we have both Luke and IsaDC assigned
20:21:30 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: We forgot to un-assign mmoss
20:21:37 <jugglinmike> mmoss: I can un-assign myself, now
20:21:45 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Okay. And for VoiceOver, we have some conflicts
20:21:52 <jugglinmike> https://aria-at.w3.org/test-queue/352/conflicts
20:22:02 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Joe_Humbert and IsaDC are getting different results
20:22:09 <jugglinmike> present+ Joe_Humbert
20:22:24 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: IsaDC's results look like the output you would get if quick nav was on instead of off
20:22:42 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: I double-checked that setting. I also ran the tests both ways just to be sure, and it made no difference
20:22:49 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: I was specifically using "arrow quick nav"
20:23:10 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It's hard to understand how pressing an arrow key with "quick nav" off could even get you to the link
20:23:23 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Ah, but in Safari, the arrow keys have this kind of functionality...
20:23:39 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: I'd like to see if someone else could run those tests and see what the results are
20:23:47 <jugglinmike> mmoss: I'm already assigned; I'm happy to run through it
20:23:50 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: Okay!
20:24:06 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Last time we were looking at versions, everyone was on Safari version 18.3. Is that still the case?
20:24:10 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: Yes
20:24:12 <jugglinmike> mmoss: Yes
20:24:36 <jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: There was a recent macOS update, but it didn't update Safari
20:24:53 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It's okay if the macOS version changes, but if the VoiceOver version changes, that is a problem
20:25:00 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: I have macOS 15.3.1
20:25:33 <jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: I did go through and test when I saw the conflicts, and I tested three or four times and got the same results every time
20:26:09 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: This is a pretty serious road block as well! I guess we'll figure it out
20:26:52 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: So for this Test Plan, we're stuck on JAWS (due to being short on resources), NVDA is paused until Luke is back, and for VoiceOver, the next step is for a third person to run it
20:28:03 <jugglinmike> Elizabeth: I can check out VoiceOver
20:28:07 <jugglinmike> Topic: Testing Radio group with roving tab index
20:28:14 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I think we're in the same situation, here
20:28:36 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We're done with NVDA. We will have to see if Luke can run the tests for JAWS when he is back
20:28:57 <jugglinmike> Topic: Testing updated disclosure nav menu plan
20:29:18 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I don't see this in the test queue, yet
20:30:04 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: I have advanced it to draft just now. It's currently updating...
20:31:52 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It saws that JAWS is 100% complete for two testers, so it took all the old results. It says the same for NVDA. Maybe we don't have to re-run it, after all
20:32:07 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: When this happens, there is a problem in the "report status" dialog because there are no links to the actual reports.
20:32:24 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: But I guess we can advance this to "recommended". Hopefully the results will show up, then
20:32:33 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That's a good thing! That saves us on testing time
20:32:42 <jugglinmike> Topic: Testing media seek slider
20:32:48 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We need some people to run this
20:33:01 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Joe_Humbert, you're done with everything you're assigned to, correct?
20:33:04 <jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: Correct
20:33:15 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Awesome! We can assign Joe_Humbert and Dean to the VoiceOver for Seek Slider
20:33:19 <jugglinmike> Joe_Humbert: That works for me
20:33:32 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: What about NVDA? The Bot results are already populated
20:33:45 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Elizabeth, are you ready? Do you want to do the NVDA?
20:34:06 <jugglinmike> Elizabeth: I don't have access to NVDA. I use a MacBook
20:34:48 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Maybe Elizabeth and Joe_Humbert can do VoiceOver, instead. Then, Dean and Joe_Humbert can do NVDA
20:35:02 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Or rather, Joe_Humbert and IsaDC on NVDA
20:37:07 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Maybe if we have Joe_Humbert run JAWS instead of NVDA for the media seek slider
20:37:37 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: For the disclosure nav, we'll have to re-run that with the latest version of JAWS when it comes out
20:39:23 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That means we have JAWS covered and VoiceOver covered for the media seek slider. For NVDA, it will be IsaDC and Dean
20:40:18 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: If you add from the top of the page, you can choose versions. If you add from the button in the table, then you cannot. I think that's a bug in our UI
20:42:54 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: This is our first test plan with negative assertions. They're saying that it's important that the screen reader did NOT do something
20:43:17 <jugglinmike> IsaDC: I am going to send the assignments out to the list just so we don't get confused about who is doing what
20:43:41 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I hope Hadi is alright. It's so unusual to have such a long quiet spell. But I don't know how to contact him besides e-mail.
20:44:04 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Thank you everybody! Have a wonderful afternoon, and thank you for your support
20:45:01 <jugglinmike> Zakim, end the meeting
20:45:01 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, jugglinmike, mmoss, james, IsaDC, howard-e, elizabeth, dean, Joe_Humbert
20:45:03 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:45:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/03/06-aria-at-minutes.html Zakim
20:45:11 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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20:45:15 <jugglinmike> RRSAgent, leave
20:45:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items