W3C

RDF-star WG biweekly meeting

06 February 2025

Attendees

Present
AndyS, AZ, doerthe, eBremer, Enrico, gtw, james, ktk, niklasl, pfps, Souri, TallTed, thomas
Regrets
ora, pchampin gkellogg Dominik_T fsasaki, Tpt
Chair
ktk
Scribe
pfps

Meeting minutes

Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: 1 , 2

ktk: Any remarks on last two meeting minutes?

james: Are the remarks by niklas completely accurate?

niklasl: Minutes are not completely verbatim.

james: But didn't you say the exact opposite?

<thomas> https://www.w3.org/2025/01/30-rdf-star-minutes.html#bd5b

ktk: easiest to correct is to edit and send new version to chairs and contact

thomas: I said something somewhat different as well, but it's not important enough for corrections.

<ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes of last two meetings, pending changes from niklas

<pfps> +1

<AndyS> +1

<thomas> +1

<gtw> +1

<james> +1

<AZ> +1

<ktk> +1

<niklasl> +1

<eBremer> +1

<TallTed> +1

<Souri> +1

<doerthe> +1

RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of last two meetings, pending changes from niklas

Prioritization of next week's topics 3

ktk: topics for next week

ktk: Ora and I were happy about last week.

<ktk> w3c/rdf-star-wg#141

<gb> Issue 141 Which parties carry what costs of text/turtle changes, and do those outweigh which benefits for whom? (by RubenVerborgh) [needs discussion]

ktk: There was a post from Ruben about taking up Issue 141.

pfps: This is something about surface syntax so I don't see the large-scale implications.

andys: we do have to address this one sometime soon.

doerthe: we reached out to see if Ruben could join but he responded that he has no time to join the meeting.

doerthe: and he said everything in his messages

james: the group does have to contend with this

pfps: I would prefer that this not be first so that other things can be discussed

andys: we do have to address this and we have to work out a way to proceed

<AndyS> w3c/rdf-star-wg#132

<gb> Issue 132 Turtle Grammar: Collections and blank node property lists in triple terms (by doerthe) [needs discussion]

thomas: syntax issues need to be discussed

ktk: which one?

thomas: streamline Turtle syntactic sugar #131

<gb> Issue 131 Streamline Turtle-star syntactic sugar and future-proof it for graphs (by rat10) [needs discussion]

andys: that appears to be more than a syntax issue

thomas: but it does include syntax

pfps: some issues on the list were discussed and should be removed from the list

ktk: dirlangstring items should be removed from the needs discussion list

ktk: should #150 be considered discussed

<gb> Issue 150 not found

ktk: removing discussion label from #150

ktk: any more suggestions on priorities?

doerthe: there was a straw poll on #138 but no final resolution

<gb> Issue 138 triple terms in subject position - issues with RDF/XML? (by william-vw) [bug] [needs discussion]

<TallTed> w3c/rdf-concepts#138

<gb> Issue 138 Triple Terms in Subject Position (by rat10) [ms:CR] [spec:substantive]

doerthe: there are two issues #138 and #138 (rdf concepts)

<niklasl> I agree; not just yet.

ktk: #49 needs gregg who will not be here next week

<gb> CLOSED Action 49 put in the repo the "source of truth" for labels (on pchampin) due 13 Apr 2023

andys: what about unstar?

niklasl: we should talk about that

niklasl: what about Concepts? is there a clear plan on what needs to go in for CR?

andys: how about discussing Concepts in two weeks?

Review of pull requests, available at 4

pfps: I'll merge the editorial ones after the meeting, unless there are complaints now, also dirlangstring

<ktk> Souri: are you logged in?

<niklasl> Silence is approval?

<niklasl> Good.

<niklasl> w3c/rdf-primer#23

<gb> Pull Request 23 Address various errata (by niklasl) [Editorial]

niklasl: I'll merge in #23 as it has sat long enough for an editorial PR

<gb> CLOSED Action 23 work on conformance proposal (on Antoine-Zimmermann) due 23 Feb 2023

<niklasl> w3c/rdf-primer#15

<gb> Issue 15 For parts of a triple, consider using "kinds" instead of "types" in primer (by kvistgaard) [spec:editorial]

niklasl: my edits should close some issues - wait for a bit and close if no comments?

tallted: also send a message about the pending close

pfps: PR #33 might be easy to deal with - discuss next week?

<gb> Issue 33 Use Case: Concept of Graph/Dataset without quoted triples (by gkellogg) [use-case]

ktk: I'll move it reasonably high up

Issue Triage, available at 5

pfps: many issues interact with whether the WG will even work on SPARQL exists

ktk: OK, I'll move the issue up in the priority list

pfps: is anyone working on the editorial issues ?

pfps: editors should look at this list and resolve them

Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting

<enrico> I am on a train, so I will say it here: semantics meeting is happening tomorrow

niklasl: semantic meeting tomorrow?

enrico: yes

<enrico> thanx

Summary of resolutions

  1. Approve minutes of last two meetings, pending changes from niklas
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All speakers: andys, doerthe, enrico, james, ktk, niklasl, pfps, tallted, thomas

Active on IRC: AndyS, AZ, doerthe, eBremer, Enrico, enrico, gtw, james, ktk, niklasl, pfps, Souri, TallTed, thomas, Tpt