IRC log of rdf-star on 2025-02-06

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16:49:57 [ktk]
Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/f1d5533f-ff2b-4d70-941c-db47b0b5918d/20250206T120000/
16:49:58 [agendabot]
clear agenda
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agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/01/23-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/01/30-rdf-star-minutes.html
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agenda+ Prioritization of next week's topics -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6
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agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
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agenda+ Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
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agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
16:50:07 [ktk]
Meeting: RDF-star WG biweekly meeting
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
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RRSAgent, make log public
16:51:52 [ktk]
regrets+ pchampin gkellogg Dominik_T fsasaki
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TallTed has changed the topic to: RDF-Star WG -- 2025-02-06 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/f1d5533f-ff2b-4d70-941c-db47b0b5918d/20250206T120000/
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16:58:57 [TallTed]
Zakim, who's here?
16:58:57 [Zakim]
Present: (no one)
16:58:59 [Zakim]
On IRC I see pfps, james, TallTed, RRSAgent, Zakim, driib5, gb, gtw, csarven, pchampin, agendabot, m2gbot, ktk, Tpt, rhiaro
16:59:01 [pfps]
present+
16:59:02 [Tpt]
regrets+ Tpt
16:59:14 [james]
present+
16:59:46 [ktk]
TallTed: I've set up already
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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s/TallTed: I've set up already//
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scribe: pfps
17:00:45 [ktk]
Chair: ktk
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17:01:15 [pfps]
how do you get Zakim to show the adenda?
17:01:18 [TallTed]
previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/01/31-rdf-star-minutes.html
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next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/02/07-rdf-star-minutes.html
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agenda?
17:01:38 [pfps]
zakim, next adendum
17:01:38 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'next adendum', pfps
17:01:44 [pfps]
zakim, next agendum
17:01:44 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/01/23-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/01/30-rdf-star-minutes.html --
17:01:47 [Zakim]
... taken up [from agendabot]
17:01:56 [TallTed]
s/zakim, next adendum//
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
17:02:50 [ktk]
present+
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present+
17:03:07 [TallTed]
s/how do you get Zakim to show the adenda?//
17:03:26 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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present+
17:04:09 [pfps]
ktk: Any remarks on last two meeting minutes?
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q?
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present+
17:05:13 [thomas]
q+
17:05:16 [pfps]
james: Are the remarks by niklas completely accurate?
17:05:54 [pfps]
niklasl: Minutes are not completely verbatim.
17:06:07 [pfps]
james: But didn't you say the exact opposite?
17:06:17 [thomas]
https://www.w3.org/2025/01/30-rdf-star-minutes.html#bd5b
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present+
17:07:24 [pfps]
ktk: easiest to correct is to edit and send new version to chairs and contact
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present+
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:08:22 [ktk]
q?
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ack thomas
17:08:53 [pfps]
thomas: I said something somewhat different as well, but it's not important enough for corrections.
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q?
17:08:59 [ktk]
PROPOSAL: Approve minutes of last two meetings, pending changes from niklas
17:09:09 [pfps]
+1
17:09:10 [AndyS]
+1
17:09:17 [thomas]
+1
17:09:17 [gtw]
+1
17:09:18 [james]
+1
17:09:20 [AZ]
+1
17:09:22 [ktk]
+1
17:09:25 [niklasl]
+1
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+1
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+1
17:09:55 [Souri]
+1
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+1
17:10:00 [ktk]
RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of last two meetings, pending changes from niklas
17:10:06 [pfps]
zakim, next agendum
17:10:06 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- Prioritization of next week's topics -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:10:24 [pfps]
ktk: topics for next week
17:10:38 [pfps]
ktk: Ora and I were happy about last week.
17:10:57 [ktk]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/141
17:10:58 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/141 -> Issue 141 Which parties carry what costs of text/turtle changes, and do those outweigh which benefits for whom? (by RubenVerborgh) [needs discussion]
17:11:15 [pfps]
ktk: There was a post from Ruben about taking up Issue 141.
17:11:20 [pfps]
q+
17:11:34 [AndyS]
q+
17:11:35 [doerthe]
q+
17:11:40 [james]
q+
17:11:43 [ktk]
ack pfps
17:11:48 [pfps]
pfps: This is something about surface syntax so I don't see the large-scale implications.
17:11:59 [ktk]
ack AndyS
17:12:01 [pfps]
andys: we do have to address this one sometime soon.
17:12:05 [ktk]
ack doerthe
17:12:56 [pfps]
doerthe: we reached out to see if Ruben could join but he responded that he has no time to join the meeting.
17:13:22 [pfps]
doerthe: and he said everything in his messages
17:13:29 [ktk]
ack james
17:13:44 [pfps]
james: the group does have to contend with this
17:14:07 [AndyS]
q+
17:14:17 [thomas]
q+
17:14:21 [pfps]
pfps: I would prefer that this not be first so that other things can be discussed
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q+
17:14:38 [ktk]
ack AndyS
17:15:20 [ktk]
ack thomas
17:15:24 [pfps]
andys: we do have to address this and we have to work out a way to proceed
17:16:06 [AndyS]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/132
17:16:07 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/132 -> Issue 132 Turtle Grammar: Collections and blank node property lists in triple terms (by doerthe) [needs discussion]
17:16:18 [pfps]
thomas: syntax issues need to be discussed
17:16:23 [pfps]
ktk: which one?
17:16:58 [pfps]
thomas: streamline Turtle syntactic sugar #131
17:16:59 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/131 -> Issue 131 Streamline Turtle-star syntactic sugar and future-proof it for graphs (by rat10) [needs discussion]
17:17:26 [ktk]
q?
17:18:54 [pfps]
andys: that appears to be more than a syntax issue
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ack pfps
17:19:19 [pfps]
thomas: but it does include syntax
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q+
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ack pfps
17:20:04 [pfps]
pfps: some issues on the list were discussed and should be removed from the list
17:20:47 [pfps]
ktk: dirlangstring items should be removed from the needs discussion list
17:20:51 [AndyS]
q+
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q-
17:21:50 [pfps]
ktk: should #150 be considered discussed
17:21:51 [gb]
Issue 150 not found
17:22:31 [pfps]
ktk: removing discussion label from #150
17:22:59 [ktk]
q?
17:23:26 [pfps]
ktk: any more suggestions on priorities?
17:23:34 [thomas]
q+
17:23:39 [ktk]
ack thomas
17:24:34 [pfps]
doerthe: there was a straw poll on #138 but no final resolution
17:24:34 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/138 -> Issue 138 triple terms in subject position - issues with RDF/XML? (by william-vw) [bug] [needs discussion]
17:25:52 [TallTed]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/138
17:25:53 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/138 -> Issue 138 Triple Terms in Subject Position (by rat10) [ms:CR] [spec:substantive]
17:26:05 [pfps]
doerthe: there are two issues #138 and #138 (rdf concepts)
17:27:24 [ktk]
q?
17:28:23 [niklasl]
I agree; not just yet.
17:28:54 [pfps]
ktk: #49 needs gregg who will not be here next week
17:28:54 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/49 -> CLOSED Action 49 put in the repo the "source of truth" for labels (on pchampin) due 13 Apr 2023
17:29:23 [pfps]
andys: what about unstar?
17:29:23 [ktk]
q?
17:29:24 [niklasl]
q+
17:29:54 [pfps]
niklasl: we should talk about that
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niklasl: what about Concepts? is there a clear plan on what needs to go in for CR?
17:31:01 [pfps]
andys: how about discussing Concepts in two weeks?
17:31:15 [ktk]
q?
17:31:19 [ktk]
ack niklasl
17:31:43 [pfps]
zakim, next agendum
17:31:43 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:32:02 [pfps]
q+
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ack pfps
17:32:49 [pfps]
pfps: I'll merge the editorial ones after the meeting, unless there are complaints now, also dirlangstring
17:32:52 [ktk]
Souri: are you logged in?
17:33:03 [niklasl]
Silence is approval?
17:33:13 [niklasl]
Good.
17:33:18 [niklasl]
q+
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ack niklasl
17:34:00 [niklasl]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/pull/23
17:34:00 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/pull/23 -> Pull Request 23 Address various errata (by niklasl) [Editorial]
17:34:29 [pfps]
niklasl: I'll merge in #23 as it has sat long enough for an editorial PR
17:34:29 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/23 -> CLOSED Action 23 work on conformance proposal (on Antoine-Zimmermann) due 23 Feb 2023
17:34:45 [ktk]
q?
17:34:49 [niklasl]
q+
17:35:02 [niklasl]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/15
17:35:03 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/15 -> Issue 15 For parts of a triple, consider using "kinds" instead of "types" in primer (by kvistgaard) [spec:editorial]
17:35:44 [ktk]
q?
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ack niklasl
17:35:55 [pfps]
niklasl: my edits should close some issues - wait for a bit and close if no comments?
17:36:09 [pfps]
tallted: also send a message about the pending close
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present+
17:37:21 [pfps]
pfps: PR #33 might be easy to deal with - discuss next week?
17:37:22 [gb]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/33 -> Issue 33 Use Case: Concept of Graph/Dataset without quoted triples (by gkellogg) [use-case]
17:37:39 [pfps]
ktk: I'll move it reasonably high up
17:37:45 [ktk]
q?
17:37:51 [pfps]
zakim, next agendum
17:37:51 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:38:15 [ktk]
q?
17:38:15 [pfps]
q+
17:38:59 [pfps]
pfps: many issues interact with whether the WG will even work on SPARQL exists
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ack pfps
17:39:19 [pfps]
ktk: OK, I'll move the issue up in the priority list
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present+
17:40:25 [pfps]
pfps: is anyone working on the editorial issues ?
17:40:53 [pfps]
pfps: editors should look at this list and resolve them
17:41:02 [ktk]
q?
17:41:35 [ktk]
Zakim, next item
17:41:35 [Zakim]
agendum 5 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:41:37 [pfps]
zakim, next agendum
17:41:38 [Zakim]
agendum 5 was just opened, pfps
17:41:56 [ktk]
q?
17:42:14 [enrico]
I am on a train, so I will say it here: semantics netting is happening tomorrow
17:42:19 [pfps]
niklasl: semantic meeting tomorrow?
17:42:24 [pfps]
enrico: yes
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q?
17:42:40 [ktk]
regrets+ ora
17:43:06 [enrico]
thanx
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s/netting/meeting/
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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23:53:43 [TallTed]
Zakim, bye
23:53:43 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been pfps, james, gtw, AndyS, thomas, niklasl, ktk, AZ, doerthe, Souri, eBremer, TallTed, Enrico
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items