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16:49:57 <ktk> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/f1d5533f-ff2b-4d70-941c-db47b0b5918d/20250206T120000/
16:49:58 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:49:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/01/23-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/01/30-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:49:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Prioritization of next week's topics -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6
16:49:59 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
16:50:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
16:50:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
16:50:07 <ktk> Meeting: RDF-star WG biweekly meeting
16:50:17 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:50:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
16:50:22 <ktk> RRSAgent, make log public
16:51:52 <ktk> regrets+ pchampin gkellogg Dominik_T fsasaki
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16:58:57 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
16:58:57 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
16:58:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, james, TallTed, RRSAgent, Zakim, driib5, gb, gtw, csarven, pchampin, agendabot, m2gbot, ktk, Tpt, rhiaro
16:59:01 <pfps> present+
16:59:02 <Tpt> regrets+ Tpt
16:59:14 <james> present+
16:59:46 <ktk> TallTed: I've set up already
16:59:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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17:00:35 <TallTed> s/TallTed: I've set up already//
17:00:41 <pfps> scribe: pfps
17:00:45 <ktk> Chair: ktk
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17:01:15 <pfps> how do you get Zakim to show the adenda?
17:01:18 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/01/31-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:01:19 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2025/02/07-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:01:23 <TallTed> agenda?
17:01:38 <pfps> zakim, next adendum
17:01:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next adendum', pfps
17:01:44 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
17:01:44 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2025/01/23-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2025/01/30-rdf-star-minutes.html --
17:01:47 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
17:01:56 <TallTed> s/zakim, next adendum//
17:02:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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17:03:07 <TallTed> s/how do you get Zakim to show the adenda?//
17:03:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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17:04:09 <pfps> ktk: Any remarks on last two meeting minutes?
17:04:41 <ktk> q?
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17:05:13 <thomas> q+
17:05:16 <pfps> james: Are the remarks by niklas completely accurate?
17:05:54 <pfps> niklasl: Minutes are not completely verbatim.
17:06:07 <pfps> james: But didn't you say the exact opposite?
17:06:17 <thomas> https://www.w3.org/2025/01/30-rdf-star-minutes.html#bd5b
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17:07:19 <eBremer> present+
17:07:24 <pfps> ktk: easiest to correct is to edit and send new version to chairs and contact
17:07:37 <TallTed> present+
17:07:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:08:22 <ktk> q?
17:08:25 <ktk> ack thomas
17:08:53 <pfps> thomas: I said something somewhat different as well, but it's not important enough for corrections.
17:08:57 <ktk> q?
17:08:59 <ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes of last two meetings, pending changes from niklas
17:09:09 <pfps> +1
17:09:10 <AndyS> +1
17:09:17 <thomas> +1
17:09:17 <gtw> +1
17:09:18 <james> +1
17:09:20 <AZ> +1
17:09:22 <ktk> +1
17:09:25 <niklasl> +1
17:09:39 <eBremer> +1
17:09:53 <TallTed> +1
17:09:55 <Souri> +1
17:09:56 <doerthe> +1
17:10:00 <ktk> RESOLUTION: Approve minutes of last two meetings, pending changes from niklas
17:10:06 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
17:10:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Prioritization of next week's topics -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/6 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:10:24 <pfps> ktk: topics for next week
17:10:38 <pfps> ktk: Ora and I were happy about last week.
17:10:57 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/141
17:10:58 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/141 -> Issue 141 Which parties carry what costs of text/turtle changes, and do those outweigh which benefits for whom? (by RubenVerborgh) [needs discussion]
17:11:15 <pfps> ktk: There was a post from Ruben about taking up Issue 141.
17:11:20 <pfps> q+
17:11:34 <AndyS> q+
17:11:35 <doerthe> q+
17:11:40 <james> q+
17:11:43 <ktk> ack pfps
17:11:48 <pfps> pfps: This is something about surface syntax so I don't see the large-scale implications.
17:11:59 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:12:01 <pfps> andys: we do have to address this one sometime soon.
17:12:05 <ktk> ack doerthe
17:12:56 <pfps> doerthe: we reached out to see if Ruben could join but he responded that he has no time to join the meeting.
17:13:22 <pfps> doerthe: and he said everything in his messages
17:13:29 <ktk> ack james
17:13:44 <pfps> james: the group does have to contend with this
17:14:07 <AndyS> q+
17:14:17 <thomas> q+
17:14:21 <pfps> pfps:  I would prefer that this not be first so that other things can be discussed
17:14:30 <pfps> q+
17:14:38 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:15:20 <ktk> ack thomas
17:15:24 <pfps> andys: we do have to address this and we have to work out a way to proceed
17:16:06 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/132
17:16:07 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/132 -> Issue 132 Turtle Grammar: Collections and blank node property lists in triple terms (by doerthe) [needs discussion]
17:16:18 <pfps> thomas: syntax issues need to be discussed
17:16:23 <pfps> ktk: which one?
17:16:58 <pfps> thomas: streamline Turtle syntactic sugar #131
17:16:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/131 -> Issue 131 Streamline Turtle-star syntactic sugar and future-proof it for graphs (by rat10) [needs discussion]
17:17:26 <ktk> q?
17:18:54 <pfps> andys: that appears to be more than a syntax issue
17:19:01 <ktk> ack pfps
17:19:19 <pfps> thomas: but it does include syntax
17:19:29 <pfps> q+
17:19:39 <ktk> ack pfps
17:20:04 <pfps> pfps: some issues on the list were discussed and should be removed from the list
17:20:47 <pfps> ktk: dirlangstring items should be removed from the needs discussion list
17:20:51 <AndyS> q+
17:21:28 <AndyS> q-
17:21:50 <pfps> ktk: should #150 be considered discussed
17:21:51 <gb> Issue 150 not found
17:22:31 <pfps> ktk: removing discussion label from #150
17:22:59 <ktk> q?
17:23:26 <pfps> ktk: any more suggestions on priorities?
17:23:34 <thomas> q+
17:23:39 <ktk> ack thomas
17:24:34 <pfps> doerthe: there was a straw poll on #138 but no final resolution
17:24:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/138 -> Issue 138 triple terms in subject position - issues with RDF/XML? (by william-vw) [bug] [needs discussion]
17:25:52 <TallTed> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/138
17:25:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/138 -> Issue 138 Triple Terms in Subject Position (by rat10) [ms:CR] [spec:substantive]
17:26:05 <pfps> doerthe: there are two issues #138 and #138 (rdf concepts)
17:27:24 <ktk> q?
17:28:23 <niklasl> I agree; not just yet.
17:28:54 <pfps> ktk: #49 needs gregg who will not be here next week
17:28:54 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/49 -> CLOSED Action 49 put in the repo the "source of truth" for labels (on pchampin) due 13 Apr 2023
17:29:23 <pfps> andys: what about unstar?
17:29:23 <ktk> q?
17:29:24 <niklasl> q+
17:29:54 <pfps> niklasl: we should talk about that
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17:30:22 <pfps> niklasl: what about Concepts? is there a clear plan on what needs to go in for CR?
17:31:01 <pfps> andys:  how about discussing Concepts in two weeks?
17:31:15 <ktk> q?
17:31:19 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:31:43 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
17:31:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:32:02 <pfps> q+
17:32:45 <ktk> ack pfps
17:32:49 <pfps> pfps: I'll merge the editorial ones after the meeting, unless there are complaints now, also dirlangstring
17:32:52 <ktk> Souri: are you logged in?
17:33:03 <niklasl> Silence is approval?
17:33:13 <niklasl> Good.
17:33:18 <niklasl> q+
17:33:24 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:34:00 <niklasl> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/pull/23
17:34:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/pull/23 -> Pull Request 23 Address various errata (by niklasl) [Editorial]
17:34:29 <pfps> niklasl:  I'll merge in #23 as it has sat long enough for an editorial PR
17:34:29 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/23 -> CLOSED Action 23 work on conformance proposal (on Antoine-Zimmermann) due 23 Feb 2023
17:34:45 <ktk> q?
17:34:49 <niklasl> q+
17:35:02 <niklasl> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/15
17:35:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/15 -> Issue 15 For parts of a triple, consider using "kinds" instead of "types" in primer (by kvistgaard) [spec:editorial]
17:35:44 <ktk> q?
17:35:47 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:35:55 <pfps> niklasl: my edits should close some issues - wait for a bit and close if no comments?
17:36:09 <pfps> tallted: also send a message about the pending close
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17:37:21 <pfps> pfps: PR #33 might be easy to deal with - discuss next week?
17:37:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/33 -> Issue 33 Use Case: Concept of Graph/Dataset without quoted triples (by gkellogg) [use-case]
17:37:39 <pfps> ktk: I'll move it reasonably high up
17:37:45 <ktk> q?
17:37:51 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
17:37:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Issue Triage, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:38:15 <ktk> q?
17:38:15 <pfps> q+
17:38:59 <pfps> pfps: many issues interact with whether the WG will even work on SPARQL exists
17:39:17 <ktk> ack pfps
17:39:19 <pfps> ktk: OK, I'll move the issue up in the priority list
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17:40:25 <pfps> pfps: is anyone working on the editorial issues ?
17:40:53 <pfps> pfps: editors should look at this list and resolve them
17:41:02 <ktk> q?
17:41:35 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:41:35 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:41:37 <pfps> zakim, next agendum
17:41:38 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, pfps
17:41:56 <ktk> q?
17:42:14 <enrico> I am on a train, so I will say it here: semantics netting is happening tomorrow
17:42:19 <pfps> niklasl: semantic meeting tomorrow?
17:42:24 <pfps> enrico: yes
17:42:35 <ktk> q?
17:42:40 <ktk> regrets+ ora
17:43:06 <enrico> thanx
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17:45:32 <TallTed> s/netting/meeting/
17:45:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2025/02/06-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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23:53:43 <TallTed> Zakim, bye
23:53:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been pfps, james, gtw, AndyS, thomas, niklasl, ktk, AZ, doerthe, Souri, eBremer, TallTed, Enrico
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23:53:46 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
23:53:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items