W3C

– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

05 December 2024

Attendees

Present
addison, atsushi, Bert, JcK, r12a, xfq
Regrets
-
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
atsushi

Meeting minutes

Agenda Review

bert: one agenda+

addison: also added

bert: MathML core, close waiting resolution

Action Items

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues

<addison> #147

<gb> Action 147 Follow up on normativity warnings about glossary (on aphillips)

<addison> #146

addison: need to go back conversation, and see what will happen, pending

<gb> Action 146 create new calendar entry for I18N+CSS (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28

addison: new calendar invite sent

<addison> close #146

<gb> Closed issue #146

<addison> #145

<gb> Action 145 publish timezone for wide review (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28

addison: done previously

xfq: addison to send email about this

<addison> #144

<gb> Action 144 remind everyone to read the language negotiation article (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28

<addison> close #144

<gb> Closed issue #144

<addison> #143

<gb> Action 143 make comments on the encoding issue attached to i18n-activity#1940 (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28

<addison> #142

<gb> Action 142 check if we can publish the new version of jlreq (on himorin) due 2024-11-21

<addison> #141

<gb> Action 141 set up IETF reviews requested by mnot@ et al (on xfq) due 2024-11-14

xfq: sent pending requests and added labels to track comments

<addison> close #141

<gb> Closed issue #141

<addison> #135

<gb> Action 135 follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17

<addison> #134

addison: will work on #135

<gb> Action 134 file an issue about making input respect locale (on aphillips) due 2024-10-05

<gb> CLOSED Action 13 Make sure generics are comfortable to read in the content language (on frivoal) due 18 Jul 2023

<addison> close #134

<gb> Closed issue #134

addison: added needs-resolution, and wait for response

<addison> #127

<gb> Action 127 make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30

<addison> #125

<gb> Action 125 propose creating a UTR for text-emphasis skip if we can get help with maintain (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30

<addison> #114

<gb> Action 114 read through i18n-activity#1659 and report on whether we're satisfied (on r12a) due 2024-08-22

r12a: connected to wider stuff, suggest to close

<addison> i18n-activity#1659

<gb> Issue 1659 [css-text-4] Add 'text-spacing: trim-all'? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:css-text] [i:spacing] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [clreq] [advice-requested] [t:typ_misc] [wg:css] [script-jpan]

<addison> close #114

<gb> Closed issue #114

<addison> #90

<gb> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18

<addison> #89

<gb> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18

<addison> #33

<gb> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)

<addison> #7

<gb> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

<addison> #4

<gb> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023

Info Share

addison: cldr to approve message format, and issue new version of cldr by end of year

<r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/script-features/

r12a: new script table above
… 79 scripts supported

[chat around rtl]

JcK: message format, two IETF WG is working on similar point

RADAR Review

<addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1

addison: three new one

xfq: can ask about real deadline

addison: have we established protocol?
… usually, sending issue via email to them

addison: will them make similar request in future?

xfq: currently they haven't had any similar formal review items, they mentioned this via IETF meeting, Mark sent email to PLH but no reply

addison: someone need to be assigned to these IETF-W3C communication

JcK: IETF-ICANN-WHATWG loop for IDNA, and pushing to new version of IDNA

xfq: will take IDNA

addison: take Modern Network Unicode, some comments, but not wrote down
… can take Unicode character repertoire subsets

xfq: found no issue for DAPT

Pending Issue Review

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending

String-Search PR

addison: any comment before merging?

Language/Locale Negotiation Article

[no objection to merge]

<addison> w3c/i18n-drafts#581

<gb> Pull Request 581 Initial work on language-negotiation materials (by aphillips)

<addison> https://github.com/aphillips/i18n-drafts/blob/gh-pages/articles/language-negotiation/language-negotiation.md

addison: one point to welcome update is on table, anyone need more time to check?

bert: looks fine

<xfq> +1 to merge

addison: will bring to wide review, after merging

TAG/I18N string recommendations

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2024OctDec/0074.html

addison: email thread above

<addison> w3ctag/design-principles#454

<gb> Issue 454 I18N string best practices vs. design-principles (by aphillips) [Status: In Progress] [Status: Consensus to write] [Agenda+] [i18n-needs-resolution]

addison: filed one issue to TAG for design document
… on DOM string

<addison> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#char_string

xfq: DOMString is recommended over USVString

addison: as INFRA does

xfq: second paragraph is on handling, didn't seems clear

r12a: DOMString is default?
… danger is to list USVString

xfq: specify algorithm or process seems too general, than first paragraph on porotcol

xfq: give some example to our documents?

addison: seeking how to tell people what I mean..
… simple matching could also work by byte string

[comparison around and discussion]

addison: will seek around and try to say something

ACTION: addison: propose specdev text related to design-principles#464 discussion

<gb> Created action #148

close some WAI ACT review issues

<Bert> w3c/i18n-activity#1909

<gb> Issue 1909 Should ACT require the formats for rules to be localizable? (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format]

bert: WG proposed to turn localizable, and change acceptable. propose to close
… answer in issue, possibly updated

r12a: they say i18n easier, but not l10n

<addison> > In addition to supporting people with disabilities, using an accessible format also makes internationalization of ACT Rules easier.

<Bert> w3c/i18n-activity#1912

<gb> Issue 1912 Is the ‘descriptive title’ used for matching? (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format]

addison: our guidance is to have direction and language

<Bert> w3c/i18n-activity#1911

<gb> Issue 1911 ACT does not require that the language of text is indicated (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format]

Summary of action items

  1. addison: propose specdev text related to design-principles#464 discussion
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All speakers: addison, bert, JcK, r12a, xfq

Active on IRC: addison, atsushi, Bert, JcK, r12a, xfq