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14:34:00 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:34:05 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:34:14 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b7edae68-f52c-4aab-a1a6-3c37459e0786/20241205T150000/
14:34:14 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:34:14 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:34:14 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:34:16 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:34:18 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:34:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
14:34:23 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Search PR
14:34:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Language/Locale Negotiation Article
14:34:27 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:34:36 <addison> agenda+ TAG/I18N string recommendations
14:34:45 <addison> agenda+ WHATWG issue template
14:34:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:37:24 <addison> zakim, delete agendum 10
14:37:24 <Zakim> agendum 10, WHATWG issue template, dropped
14:48:32 <addison> agenda+ close some WAI ACT review issues
14:55:56 <addison> present+
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15:01:47 <Bert> present+
15:02:55 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:02:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:02:59 <atsushi> scribe+
15:03:00 <addison> agenda?
15:03:12 <xfq> present+
15:03:19 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:03:52 <addison> agenda+ WASM comments
15:04:10 <xfq> present+ atsushi, r12a
15:04:31 <atsushi> bert: one agenda+
15:04:35 <atsushi> addison: also added
15:04:42 <addison> agenda+ MathML Core comments
15:04:48 <atsushi> bert: MathML core, close waiting resolution
15:04:53 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:04:53 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:05:01 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues
15:05:06 <addison> #147
15:05:08 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/147 -> Action 147 Follow up on normativity warnings about glossary (on aphillips)
15:05:25 <addison> #146
15:05:26 <atsushi> addison: need to go back conversation, and see what will happen, pending
15:05:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/146 -> Action 146  create new calendar entry for I18N+CSS (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28
15:05:42 <atsushi> addison: new calendar invite sent
15:05:56 <addison> close #146
15:05:57 <gb> Closed -> issue #146 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/146
15:06:01 <addison> #145
15:06:02 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/145 -> Action 145  publish timezone for wide review (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28
15:06:11 <atsushi> addison: done previously
15:06:22 <atsushi> xfq: addison to send email about this
15:06:25 <addison> #144
15:06:31 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/144 -> Action 144  remind everyone to read the language negotiation article (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28
15:06:36 <addison> close #144
15:06:38 <gb> Closed -> issue #144 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/144
15:06:43 <addison> #143
15:06:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/143 -> Action 143  make comments on the encoding issue attached to i18n-activity#1940 (on aphillips) due 2024-11-28
15:06:55 <addison> #142
15:06:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/142 -> Action 142 check if we can publish the new version of jlreq (on himorin) due 2024-11-21
15:07:13 <addison> #141
15:07:14 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/141 -> Action 141  set up IETF reviews requested by mnot@ et al (on xfq) due 2024-11-14
15:07:38 <atsushi> xfq: sent pending issues
15:07:45 <addison> addison has joined #i18n
15:08:10 <xfq> s/pending issues/pending requests and added labels to track comments/
15:08:11 <addison> close #141
15:08:13 <gb> Closed -> issue #141 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/141
15:08:19 <addison> #135
15:08:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/135 -> Action 135  follow up on XR issue 1393 about locale in session (on aphillips) due 2024-10-17
15:08:36 <addison> #134
15:08:36 <atsushi> addison: will work on #13
15:08:36 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/134 -> Action 134 file an issue about making input respect locale (on aphillips) due 2024-10-05
15:08:37 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/13 -> CLOSED Action 13 Make sure generics are comfortable to read in the content language (on frivoal) due 18 Jul 2023
15:08:41 <atsushi> s/#13/#135/
15:08:52 <addison> close #134
15:08:54 <gb> Closed -> issue #134 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/134
15:08:58 <atsushi> addison: added needs-resolution, and wait for response
15:08:59 <addison> #127
15:08:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/127 -> Action 127  make a list of shared topics of interest between TG2 and W3C-I18N (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
15:09:06 <addison> #125
15:09:07 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/125 -> Action 125  propose creating a UTR for text-emphasis skip if we can get help with maintain (on aphillips) due 2024-09-30
15:09:15 <addison> #114
15:09:15 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/114 -> Action 114  read through i18n-activity#1659 and report on whether we're satisfied (on r12a) due 2024-08-22
15:09:43 <atsushi> r12a: connected to wider stuff, suggest to close
15:10:15 <addison> i18n-activity#1659
15:10:16 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1659 -> Issue 1659 [css-text-4] Add 'text-spacing: trim-all'? (by w3cbot) [close?] [tracker] [s:css-text] [i:spacing] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq] [clreq] [advice-requested] [t:typ_misc] [wg:css] [script-jpan]
15:10:45 <addison> close #114
15:10:47 <gb> Closed -> issue #114 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/114
15:10:47 <addison> #90
15:10:48 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90  steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
15:10:57 <addison> #89
15:10:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
15:11:06 <addison> #33
15:11:06 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
15:11:16 <addison> #7
15:11:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
15:11:28 <addison> #4
15:11:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on aphillips) due 27 Jul 2023
15:11:29 <JcK> present+ JcK
15:11:42 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:11:42 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:12:01 <r12a> q+
15:12:20 <atsushi> addison: cldr to approve message format, and issue new version of cldr by end of year
15:12:27 <addison> ack next
15:12:51 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/scripts/script-features/
15:13:08 <atsushi> r12a: new script table above
15:14:23 <atsushi> ... 79 scripts supported
15:15:59 <atsushi> [chat around rtl]
15:17:09 <atsushi> JcK: message format, two IETF WG is working on similar point
15:18:32 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:18:32 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:18:42 <addison> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/91/views/1
15:19:01 <atsushi> addison: three new one
15:19:23 <atsushi> xfq: can ask about real deadline
15:20:05 <atsushi> addison: have we established protocol?
15:20:22 <atsushi> ... usually, sending issue via email to them
15:21:10 <atsushi> addison: will them make similar request in future?
15:21:43 <atsushi> xfq: currently they haven't had any similar formal review items, they mentioned this via IETF meeting, Mark sent email to PLH but no reply
15:24:07 <atsushi> addison: someone need to be assigned to these IETF-W3C communication
15:25:52 <atsushi> JcK: IETF-ICANN-WHATWG loop for IDNA, and pushing to new version of IDNA
15:26:41 <atsushi> xfq: will take IDNA
15:27:04 <atsushi> addison: take Modern Network Unicode, some comments, but not wrote down
15:27:51 <atsushi> ... can take Unicode character repertoire subsets
15:29:22 <atsushi> xfq: found no issue for DAPT
15:29:53 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:29:53 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:30:02 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending
15:30:20 <addison> agenda?
15:30:52 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:30:52 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- String-Search PR -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:31:22 <atsushi> addison: any comment before merging?
15:32:28 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
15:32:28 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Language/Locale Negotiation Article -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:32:30 <atsushi> [no objection to merge]
15:32:40 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/581
15:32:41 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/pull/581 -> Pull Request 581 Initial work on language-negotiation materials (by aphillips)
15:32:47 <addison> https://github.com/aphillips/i18n-drafts/blob/gh-pages/articles/language-negotiation/language-negotiation.md
15:33:40 <atsushi> addison: one point to welcome update is on table, anyone need more time to check?
15:35:30 <atsushi> bert: looks fine
15:35:37 <xfq> +1 to merge
15:35:41 <atsushi> addison: will bring to wide review, after merging
15:35:52 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:35:52 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- TAG/I18N string recommendations -- taken up [from addison]
15:36:06 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2024OctDec/0074.html
15:36:10 <atsushi> addison: email thread above
15:36:18 <addison> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-principles/issues/454
15:36:19 <gb> https://github.com/w3ctag/design-principles/issues/454 -> Issue 454 I18N string best practices vs. design-principles (by aphillips) [Status: In Progress] [Status: Consensus to write] [Agenda+] [i18n-needs-resolution]
15:36:34 <atsushi> addison: filed one issue to TAG for design document
15:36:37 <atsushi> ... on DOM string
15:40:05 <addison> https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#char_string
15:40:27 <atsushi> xfq: DOMString is recommended over USVString
15:40:31 <atsushi> addison: as INFRA does
15:41:11 <r12a> q+
15:41:29 <atsushi> xfq: second paragraph is on handling, an d seems clear
15:41:45 <addison> ack next
15:41:49 <xfq> s/an d/didn't
15:43:15 <atsushi> r12a: DOMString is default?
15:43:29 <atsushi> ... danger is to list USVString
15:45:33 <atsushi> xfq: specify algorithm or process seems too general, than first paragraph on porotcol
15:47:38 <atsushi> xfq: give some example to our documents?
15:48:34 <atsushi> addison: seeking how to tell people what I mean..
15:49:40 <atsushi> ... simple matching could also work by byte string
15:53:54 <atsushi> [comparison around and discussion]
15:54:15 <atsushi> addison: will seek around and try to say something
15:54:26 <addison> agenda?
15:55:03 <addison> action: addison: propose specdev text related to design-principles#464 discussion
15:55:11 <gb> Created -> action #148 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/148
15:55:25 <addison> zakim, take up 11
15:55:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 11', addison
15:55:34 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:55:34 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- close some WAI ACT review issues -- taken up [from addison]
15:56:51 <Bert> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1909
15:56:51 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1909 -> Issue 1909 Should ACT require the formats for rules to be localizable? (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format]
15:57:56 <atsushi> bert: WG proposed to turn localizable, and change acceptable. propose to close
15:58:16 <atsushi> ... answer in issue, possibly updated
15:59:18 <atsushi> r12a: they say i18n easier, but not l10n
15:59:50 <addison> >  In addition to supporting people with disabilities, using an accessible format also makes internationalization of ACT Rules easier.
16:02:39 <Bert> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1912
16:02:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1912 -> Issue 1912 Is the ‘descriptive title’ used for matching? (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format]
16:04:08 <atsushi> addison: our guidance is to have direction and language
16:05:37 <Bert> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1911
16:05:37 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1911 -> Issue 1911 ACT does not require that the language of text is indicated (by bert-github) [needs-resolution] [wg:ag] [s:act-rules-format]
16:12:19 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
16:12:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-i18n-minutes.html xfq
16:39:12 <addison> zakim, who is here?
16:39:12 <Zakim> Present: addison, Bert, xfq, atsushi, r12a, JcK
16:39:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see addison, atsushi, RRSAgent, Zakim, r12a, xfq, gb, Mek, florian, eemeli, csarven, hadleybeeman, alastairc, koji, jyasskin, cwilso, Rachael, astearns, fantasai, aki,
16:39:14 <Zakim> ... agendabot, Bert
16:39:27 <addison> zakim, bye
16:39:27 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, Bert, xfq, atsushi, r12a, JcK
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16:39:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/12/05-i18n-minutes.html addison