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Invisible XML Community Group

26 November 2024

Attendees

Present
Bethan, John, Nico, Norm, Steven
Regrets
David
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Norm

Meeting minutes

Review of open actions

2023-01-10-f: NTW to produce draft documentation of the XML vocabulary, issue #137

invisibleXML/ixml#137

Continued.

2024-03-05-c: SP to prepare pull request to resolve issue #139 (new grammars, new README)

Continued.

2024-10-01-f: SP to make a PR for both versions of the RFC grammar

invisibleXML/ixml#139

Continued.

2024-10-01-e: SP to review ixml tests and correct the grammar

Steven: There are some tests that are for an old version of iXML.
… The strings are treated differently; I don't want to change those tests. They're of historical interest.

John: Or add a comment that says it's the old grammar.

Steven: Okay, I'll do that.

<Steven> Steven: OK I'll do that

Continued.

2024-04-30-b: BTW to open an issue on whether to adopt a scheme to distinguish 'major' from 'minor' versions in version numbers.

Completed.

2024-11-12—01: Norm to ask Gunther about subtractions

(Completed, in as much as Gunther followed up before I asked :-) )

Status reports

Norm: I have nothing to add.

John: Nope.

Steven: I'm developing a iXML grammar to parse Finnegan's Wake.
… It's a very interesting experience. I'm about half way through Chapter 1, trying to smoke out the problems.

ACTION: Steven to review the Balisage paper about pragmas

The subtraction operator

John: I've been trying to do work on my implementation to get it going.
… It's not the standard sort of "these strings unless it's these (constant) strings" that are problematic.
… But "a except ~[]" or other things Michael would have produced!
… It becomes very difficult to get sensible results out.
… It's going to be one of these cases where the edge cases are going to kill it.

Steven: I've been digging out some papers and I see that at least one of them is written by someone at the CWI. Will try to have a conversation.

John: Gunther had some thoughts about the fact that this is sneaking in a lexer layer.
… Is this something you want to do explicitly.

ACTION: Steven to add the new papers as bibliography material.

ACTION: Norm to make sure there's a section on the website for a bibliography of related papers and papers that report using iXML.

Steven: I'm writing a paper for my talk at Declarative Amsterdam and I've collected many papers that quote that they're using iXML. That would also be useful.

Steven: I like the idea of subtraction, but I'd want it to be generic. I have that with a number of use cases we've discussed in the past.

Next meeting

Next meeting is 10 December, then we'll take 24 December off, and we'll meet again on 7 January 2025.

Summary of action items

  1. Steven to review the Balisage paper about pragmas
  2. Steven to add the new papers as bibliography material.
  3. Norm to make sure there's a section on the website for a bibliography of related papers and papers that report using iXML.
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All speakers: 2023-01-10-f, 2024-03-05-c, 2024-04-30-b, 2024-10-01-e, 2024-10-01-f, 2024-11-12—01, John, Norm, Steven

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