IRC log of ixml on 2024-11-26

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Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group
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Chair: Steven
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2024Nov/0012
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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/11/12-ixml-minutes
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Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group
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Date: 26 November 2024
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Chair: Steven
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Scribe: Norm
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Present: Steven, Nico, Bethan, John, Norm
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Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/11/12-ixml-minutes
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Topic: Review of open actions
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Regrets: David
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2023-01-10-f: NTW to produce draft documentation of the XML vocabulary, issue #137
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https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/137
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Continued.
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2024-03-05-c: SP to prepare pull request to resolve issue #139 (new grammars, new README)
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Continued.
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2024-10-01-f: SP to make a PR for both versions of the RFC grammar
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https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/139
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Continued.
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2024-10-01-e: SP to review ixml tests and correct the grammar
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Steven: There are some tests that are for an old version of iXML.
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... The strings are treated differently; I don't want to change those tests. They're of historical interest.
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John: Or add a comment that says it's the old grammar.
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Steven: Okay, I'll do that.
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Steven: OK I'll do that
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Continued.
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2024-04-30-b: BTW to open an issue on whether to adopt a scheme to distinguish 'major' from 'minor' versions in version numbers.
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Completed.
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2024-11-12—01: Norm to ask Gunther about subtractions
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(Completed, in as much as Gunther followed up before I asked :-) )
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Topic: Status reports
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Norm: I have nothing to add.
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John: Nope.
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Steven: I'm developing a iXML grammar to parse Finnegan's Wake.
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... It's a very interesting experience. I'm about half way through Chapter 1, trying to smoke out the problems.
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ACTION: Steven to review the Balisage paper about pragmas
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Topic: The subtraction operator
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John: I've been trying to do work on my implementation to get it going.
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... It's not the standard sort of "these strings unless it's these (constant) strings" that are problematic.
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... But "a except ~[]" or other things Michael would have produced!
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... It becomes very difficult to get sensible results out.
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... It's going to be one of these cases where the edge cases are going to kill it.
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Steven: I've been digging out some papers and I see that at least one of them is written by someone at the CWI. Will try to have a conversation.
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John: Gunther had some thoughts about the fact that this is sneaking in a lexer layer.
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... Is this something you want to do explicitly.
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ACTION: Steven to add the new papers as bibliography material.
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ACTION: Norm to make sure there's a section on the website for a bibliography of related papers.
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Steven: I'm writing a paper for my talk at Declarative Amsterdam and I've collected many papers that quote that they're using iXML. That would also be useful.
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s/of related papers/of related papers and papers that report using iXML/
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Steven: I like the idea of subtraction, but I'd want it to be generic. I have that with a number of use cases we've discussed in the past.
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Topic: Next meeting
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Next meeting is 10 December, then we'll take 24 December off, and we'll meet again on 7 January 2025.
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