14:47:00 RRSAgent has joined #ixml 14:47:05 logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/11/26-ixml-irc 14:47:09 rrsagent, make logs public 14:47:20 Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group 14:47:25 Chair: Steven 14:47:50 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2024Nov/0012 14:47:58 Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/11/12-ixml-minutes 14:48:06 rrsagent, make minutes 14:48:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/26-ixml-minutes.html Steven 14:53:55 norm has joined #ixml 14:54:16 rrsagent, set logs world-visible 14:54:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:54:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/26-ixml-minutes.html norm 14:55:01 Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group 14:55:02 Date: 26 November 2024 14:55:02 Chair: Steven 14:55:03 Scribe: Norm 14:55:27 nico has joined #ixml 14:59:10 john has joined #ixml 15:00:03 Present: Steven, Nico, Bethan, John, Norm 15:00:29 Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/11/12-ixml-minutes 15:00:37 Topic: Review of open actions 15:00:56 Regrets: David 15:01:10 2023-01-10-f: NTW to produce draft documentation of the XML vocabulary, issue #137 15:01:10 https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/137 15:01:10 Continued. 15:01:18 2024-03-05-c: SP to prepare pull request to resolve issue #139 (new grammars, new README) 15:01:18 Continued. 15:01:45 2024-10-01-f: SP to make a PR for both versions of the RFC grammar 15:01:45 https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/139 15:01:45 Continued. 15:02:09 2024-10-01-e: SP to review ixml tests and correct the grammar 15:02:20 Steven: There are some tests that are for an old version of iXML. 15:02:57 ... The strings are treated differently; I don't want to change those tests. They're of historical interest. 15:03:08 John: Or add a comment that says it's the old grammar. 15:03:18 Steven: Okay, I'll do that. 15:03:21 Steven: OK I'll do that 15:03:38 Continued. 15:03:44 2024-04-30-b: BTW to open an issue on whether to adopt a scheme to distinguish 'major' from 'minor' versions in version numbers. 15:03:45 Completed. 15:04:51 2024-11-12—01: Norm to ask Gunther about subtractions 15:04:51 (Completed, in as much as Gunther followed up before I asked :-) ) 15:05:28 Topic: Status reports 15:05:44 Norm: I have nothing to add. 15:05:47 John: Nope. 15:06:02 Steven: I'm developing a iXML grammar to parse Finnegan's Wake. 15:06:18 ... It's a very interesting experience. I'm about half way through Chapter 1, trying to smoke out the problems. 15:07:42 ACTION: Steven to review the Balisage paper about pragmas 15:08:02 Topic: The subtraction operator 15:08:12 John: I've been trying to do work on my implementation to get it going. 15:08:33 ... It's not the standard sort of "these strings unless it's these (constant) strings" that are problematic. 15:08:49 ... But "a except ~[]" or other things Michael would have produced! 15:08:55 ... It becomes very difficult to get sensible results out. 15:09:10 ... It's going to be one of these cases where the edge cases are going to kill it. 15:09:49 Steven: I've been digging out some papers and I see that at least one of them is written by someone at the CWI. Will try to have a conversation. 15:10:05 John: Gunther had some thoughts about the fact that this is sneaking in a lexer layer. 15:10:12 ... Is this something you want to do explicitly. 15:10:48 ACTION: Steven to add the new papers as bibliography material. 15:11:02 ACTION: Norm to make sure there's a section on the website for a bibliography of related papers. 15:11:23 Steven: I'm writing a paper for my talk at Declarative Amsterdam and I've collected many papers that quote that they're using iXML. That would also be useful. 15:11:40 s/of related papers/of related papers and papers that report using iXML/ 15:12:18 Steven: I like the idea of subtraction, but I'd want it to be generic. I have that with a number of use cases we've discussed in the past. 15:12:43 Topic: Next meeting 15:13:07 Next meeting is 10 December, then we'll take 24 December off, and we'll meet again on 7 January 2025. 15:13:34 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:13:35 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/11/26-ixml-minutes.html norm