Meeting minutes
Ha, good morning, JohnRochford!
Overview of next steps for this subgroup
Getting whatever we have ready to publish by next week
Will decide how soon we want to start another sprint to finish the draft
<Laura_Carlson> Survey: https://
<LenB> presemt+
<JohnRochford> Oh, Laura, thanks a lot (or not!)
The next subgroups:
Views subgroup
Voice control subgroup
Text contrast subgroup
Text-to-speech subgroup
Definitions
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Reviewed user-centered outcome, goal and what to do
JohnRochford "Can have more than one meaning" might not be clear enough
JohnRochford A phrase with more than one implied meaning is often referred to as a polyseme.
Over the next week, let's think about how to refine that sentence and add an example
mike_beganyi Emoji definition is good, general enough
mike_beganyi Maybe swap out sushi for an emoji that is easier to see if you have low vision
Laura_Carlson Maybe swap in a cup of tea
Literal text: Literal text uses words’ primary dictionary definition to convey exactly what is written. Unlike figurative or non-literal language, literal text does not have implied meaning. Literal text uses the direct or denotative meaning of the words.
Frankie No one knows what "denotative" means
Let's remove the jargony "denotative"
JohnRochford Why are we mentioning "figurative"?
kirkwood I think we should keep it. Government guidance use the term and say to avoid "figurative language"
kirkwood We may need to use the term more prominently
<kirkwood> are missing the term “figurative language”: "Don't use figurative language" means to avoid using any language that is not meant to be taken literally, such as metaphors, similes, hyperbole, or other expressions that convey a meaning beyond the direct words used; instead, stick to plain, straightforward descriptions and statements
mike_beganyi "Primary dictionary definition" or "meaning"?
Literal text uses the direct meaning of words to convey exactly what is written. Unlike non-literal or figurative language, literal text does not have implied meaning.
Group agrees with rewording
Non-literal text uses words or phrases in a way that goes beyond their standard or dictionary meaning to express deeper, more complex ideas. This is also called figurative language. To understand it, users have to interpret the implied or connotative meaning behind the words, rather than just their literal or direct meaning.
remove "connottive"
mike_beganyi Good that it's longer
Clarification: Non-literal text does *not* include industry terms or jargon that use the literal meaning of these words or phrases. (The use of specialized terms for a general audience will be covered in a different WCAG 3 outcome.)
kirkwood It's confusing
mike_beganyi The word "cookie" as an example
Methods section
OK to reword to "Does the available user agent, including assistive technology, sufficiently [DELETE: Explain] [ADD: Provide an alternative to] non-literal text?
User-centered outcome: Users can access the literal meaning of text. If the text has implied meaning, users can get explanations or access an alternate version. Examples of non-literal text include sarcasm, metaphors, similes, idioms, and emoji characters.
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Method #3: Provide an alternative to non-literal text.
Provide an alternative to non-literal text, such as a version that uses only literal text or that explains the implied meaning. se one of the techniques below to make users users must be aware of the presence of non-literal content and that an explanation is available
<kirkwood> provide an understandable alternative
<kirkwood> or a meaningful alternative?
Next steps
Anyone who is free at 12pm ET today: Please join the Implied Meaning breakout room at the AG meeting so we can keep talking about the methods section
Asynchronous homework for everyone: Please review the Methods section over the next week so we can align at next Tuesday's meeting at 9am ET, thanks.