Meeting minutes
Approval of minutes from the last six meetings: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6
<AZ> The minutes are very good, IMO
ora: 6 meeting minutes to approve, see links
<pchampin> I forgot to present+ in last week meeting, but I can easily add myself back
<AZ> minutes of the 3rd October uses first names in the conversation instead of IRC nicknames
<TallTed> note for future agendas -- shorter line items will prevent agendabot/zakim overflow
<james> i would have a question about last week's straw poll.
ora: any objections/changes?
<pchampin> TallTed, I instructed gb to ignore agendabot, so there should be less problem in the future
<TallTed> pchampin -- see above, where the agenda item cut off at "-> 5"
james: I looked at last week's minutes, and wonder what exactly was polled.
ora: it's really whether after the fact you are able to distinguish whether statements were or were not asserted when you make statements about them
james: could it be rephrased to make the poll intent clearer
ora: it was just an informal poll to take the temperature of the group
pfps: it was what it was
<pchampin> +1
ora: should we do a new poll then?
pfps: it has nothing to do with the minutes
… the minutes are an accurate account, but the meeting may have been confused\
ora: people voted on the statement given at the time
ora: my understanding is that people did understand what was being polled at the time
AZ: on Oct 3rd people used their first names, making it easy to do a search and replace
ora: I would be fine with that
<TallTed> being consistent within a session makes things less confusing, but it will not cause any problems to anything to leave them as they are
<AZ> It's ok for me if we use the real names, I was just wondering if this creates issues
<pfps> My view is that first/nick is not important.
<TallTed> no tooling cares
pchampin: I am happy to do a search and replace if the group wants that. In most cases people will know the mapping from nicknames to real names, but I am happy to fix that
ora: I agree that is true, but for new members it would be helpful
TallTed: which do we want irc handles or real names, my view is that irc handles is preferable
… there is no tooling that looks at this
ora: true, do you have a suggestion?
TallTed: let's go with irc handles
ora: years from now, will we know the mapping?
ora: for this poll let's use irc handles
ora: any other comments about the minutes?
<pfps> look fine by me
<ora> PROPOSAL: Approve all minutes
<TallTed> +1
<AZ> +1
<pfps> +1
<eBremer> +1
<Dominik_T> +1
<ktk> +1
<niklasl> +1
<AndyS> +1
<tl> +1
<fsasaki> +1
<ora> +1
<gtw> +1
<doerthe> +1
<pchampin> +1
<Souri> +1
ora: minutes approved
<gkellogg> +1
RESOLUTION: Approve all minutes
Prioritization of next week's topics 7
<pfps> there be dragons!
Anyone with suggestions for something to put as the top priority?
AndyS: what about item 6?
… more planning than technical substance
ora: we could create a wiki page to gather the feedback
gkellogg: item 10 seems pretty non controversial
<AndyS> https://
<gkellogg> w3c/
<gb> Issue 60 Drop the requirement to support ill-typed literals with recognized datatype IRIs (by wouterbeek) [needs discussion] [spec:enhancement]
gkellogg: to tighten up some of the wording, some comments by Ivan Herman
gkellogg: on equality ...
gkellogg: in respect to RDF in JSON
ora: can we make this go away, I personally have no strong opinions one way or another
gkellogg: we need objections before we create a pull request
ora: can we put this to bed now?
pfps: yes, but the problem is around floating point numbers and JCS
gkellogg: is negative zero the same as zero
ora: this may not be low hanging fruit, but I would still like to solve this
ora: let's try and find easier topics to advance on for next week
AndyS: RDF composites would be an easier topic
pchampin: I don't see the order at present
See RDF-star working group dashboard
<pfps> I see the order
Review of open actions, available at 8
ktk: one action outstanding from TPAC
pchampin: still unsure of the outcome of the discussion re un-star
<pfps> 1E400 is in the lexical space of xsd:double and maps into +INF
pchampin: is this the responsibility for this group or the I18N group
ora: the backward compatibility viewpoint suggests we need a discussion in this group
Review of pull requests, available at 9
<gb> Issue 114 Un-star operation to support RDF Dataset Canonicalization? (by niklasl) [needs discussion] [discuss-f2f]
AndyS: triple terms impact test, current status is that we are discussing some points on the manifest vocabulary and some of the tests
ora: are you suggesting we merge this and invite discussion?
AndyS: yes, as this would make it easier to follow as it is a big pull request
gkellogg: I didn't look at them critically, but think it forms a good basis
gkellogg: so yes, let's merge it. I also wanted to raise turtle update
<gtw> I'm pretty confident in the query parts of the tests PR. Haven't yet made it through the udpate tests in as much detail.
AndyS: the media registration can refer to the WG
<Zakim> pfps, you wanted to suggest closing the second issue
pfps: one issue has been hanging about for a long time, and I suggest we close it
<james> sparql-query contact is : Person & email address to contact for further information:
<james> public-rdf-dawg-comments&w3.org
ora: I am good with that
<pfps> done
ora: any objections?
[no]
TallTed: regarding media type registrations, the practice is to put W3C as the controller not a specific WG, and put the WG in the context
<AndyS> SPARQL has "The SPARQL 1.2 specification is a work product of the World Wide Web Consortium's RDF-star Working Group. The W3C has change control over these specifications."
pchampin: we have a number of discussions ongoing about media types ...
ACTION: pchampin to check on standard practices for media type registrations.
<gb> Created action #133
<AndyS> SPARQ 1.1 had the same except 1.1
Issue Triage, available at 10
ora: would it make sense to tackle the issue triage and prioritisation together?
ora: and allocate people to progress them
ora: any small ones for discussion right now? For example broken links in SPARQL 1.1. update
AndyS: I can take that one
gkellogg: that might be obsolete
ora: line item 9 should be easily fixed
ora: did we handle the issue around punicode to the I18N folks?
AndyS: this isn't significant any more ...
ora: can we resolve on this here and now?
ora: I need to study this myself to better understand this, anything else?
gkellogg: line item 12 is now unblocked
ora: so no action needed?
<AZ> issue 13: w3c/
<gb> Issue 13 Update language about IRIs (by afs) [i18n-tracker] [spec:editorial]
gkellogg: the issue has since been closed in RDF concepts, so we can now make the corresponding change in RDF query
gkellogg: I believe we can now create a pull request
ora: anyone want to take this on, it doesn't seem like a huge thing
gkellogg: all of these documents have editors, so at some point the chair should appoint an editor
ora: I agree. Who is the editor?
AndyS: I am one of the five
Ora: AndyS please take this on, but feel free to hand it on to someone else if appropriate
AndyS: I can take this on
ora: anything else?
[no]
ora: it seems we have a lot of bugs and editorial things outstanding
ora: please feel free to work on this
gkellogg: issues 77 and 78 are marked pending, and we need to do something to allow us to close them
<gkellogg> w3c/
<gb> Issue 46 Why quoted triples, when we already have named graphs? (by lars-hellstrom) [wr:pending]
<gkellogg> w3c/
<gb> Issue 79 Reconsider bidirectional (bidi) tag? (by termontwouter) [wr:pending]
ora: I will look at those myself and see what should be done
ora: any other business?
<pfps> I can be on the semantics call tomorrow
<Souri> I'll be there tomorrow
ora: let's have tomorrow's meeting and see if anyone turns up. I am giving talk on RDF star at this time next week, so Adrian will chair for me.
<Zakim> AZ, you wanted to say that we have a timezone shift next week
AZ: noe that for European folks the meeting is one hour earlier due to US time zone change
… end of meeting
<pchampin> next meeting -- https://
<pchampin> double-check the time if you are in Europe