Meeting minutes
[Tzviya is introducing herself]
tzviya8: we will talk about engagement not only member relations. We want to strengthen retention
… we would like to have your inputs what W3C can do for members
… some projects have already in practice
… this is a list of a monthly summary in Japan
… when I suggested to AB, they put lots of inputs something like to have more information
… they are also interested in having f2fs that are held in Japan and China for now
… maybe you might want to have another name or occassion
… you might want to have a language specific mailing list
… We also have chapters
… you can email me and Naomi directly
ota: I'm Ota from LY Corp. Very good important topic
… I found that "it depends on members"
… we need some flamework to understand for recognizing members
… there are many diversities but we can't cover a number of axis
… 1, member engagement level
… 2, Consumer level
… 3, Participants
… 4, Contributors
… 5. Chairs
… referred by Linux participation model
… another axix is language
… non-native members also have great ideas. It should be shared otherwise it would be a loss for W3C
… non-native English speakers inclusion is important
[slide 2]
… member recognition table. See yellow parts with 2 axis
… engagement level can be divided into 2; Challenges faced by members and the other is Challenges particularly faced by non-native English speakers
… for green area, it should be supported by Global and the blue one should be provided by local
… we don't need to separate for #4
[slide 3]
… it shows Global community and Local communities
… local communities should be more energized
… local communities need to have connection horizontally and vertically
[slide 4]
… suggestions 1, let's work together to complete the number analysis table with two axes, and 2, let's discuss how local communities work to energize members and promote their global communities
dmarti: appreciate you mentioned about Linux foundation
… there are many levels of membership. lots of projects and sponsorship
… which of those Linux F model you are looking at?
ota: I looked for individual members'. We can discuss separately for each members
dmarti: I work with Raptive that has 5000 pages but hard to have engagement with W3C
<dmarti> (5000 domains, small independent sites)
<dmarti> (generally on niche topics, subject matter experts but not web experts)
tzviya8: membership model is very important. BoD is talking and making more fullfilled
… individual membership would be one of the items
… could solve some problems
… we definitely work with them such as OpenJS and others
dmarti: Linux F has lots of orgs to work with. What can be copy their successful
… there are some overlapping
tzviya8: how we can experience better?
… Ota-san pointed out communications
… I heard members in North america. We heard member supports from Japan and China. It doesn't have to have f2f meetings all the time
… do you have any ideas around that?
dmarti: I remember late 90's. I would definitely appreciate more events communication channels
… breaking blicks
wendyreid: we did't have access to in-person events in north america. At TPAC, for example, I learn about 5 new projects at the same time
… TPAC is too busy to catch everything. Japanese member meeting has presentations of tech updates
… this feeds and other issues such as charters or recommendation process would also be good to be provided
Kodajima: where W3C want to go? offline communication is great
… we want to acceralate web standards. If we want to increase new members, we need to handle differently
tzviya8: good point, not only developer view but user ones
… at least for now, we are continuing to technical standards one
… we know W3C dues is expensive. You need to talk to your executives
… and explain the value of W3C for decision makers
… what we can help you to explain is to your president
hadley: a lot of fun things out this community happens are 2 people had an idea about something bothering them and starting working on it
… hard to do things without knowing people
… it requires structured agenda for a meeting
… social interaction is important
dsinger: about regional meeting. US particularly, don't develop sense of camaraderie. But also need to balance against global community, we need to find a way of fostering sense of being W3C members, not just regional members
… we need to better on regional meetings. we need to learn from other countries
<Zakim> dsinger, you wanted to comment about balancing local cohesion with one W3C
dsinger: we have Chapters
BrianE: great for regional meetings. Companies tends to contribute specs on consumer level
<hadleybeeman> s/@2/getting together and brainstorming. But you have to know each other to create that opportunity -- it won't happen in a structured meeting with an agenda. The social connections foster a lot of the features of the web we all use and build on. More of that is good.
BrianE: I see value for uses and industry what's happening at W3C and how to utilize
<Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask if this is what the member-led meeting should be
tzviya8: I look for social interaction like hallway conversation. that construct to have regional meetings, but preserve the desire
… to create global one W3C
… disseminate information
… AB is holding AB-led meeting every month
… Wendy and Chris, charis of AB always try to figure out what we should put information disseminate
… another possibilities is dashboard with automated translation
… we have to figure out for summarize
wendyreid: +1 desire to make monthly member meeting more effective
… AB is considered idea of 2 TPAC meetings in a year
… but that may be too much. Another idea is reducing F2F logistical challenges by co-locating f2f meetings
… 4-5 groups to get together agreeing have f2fs
elenalape: +1 for 2nd TPAC idea
… value proposition is hard
… we have something to talk at TPAC
Hirata: Two ideas for improving member engagement
… 1, holding 1 on 1
… AB-led member meeting is really good but the number of participants are not high yet
… even people participates, it's hard for some people to speak up
… so 1 on 1 would work
… by team of Ambassador but they are busy
… it maybe effective picking up carefully member voices
… 2, Providing W3C Overview
… if we have such a monthly document, participants can persuade their boss for the participation
… the material should be reviewed within 10 min
tzviya8: thank you Hirata-san
jgraham: about 2 TPACS
… travel could be hard and it's very carbon intensive
… we can have online ones as well
<Zakim> fantasai, you wanted to comment on 2 TPACs
fantasai: one concern on 2 TPACs. Groups might pick one vs other, and that would fragment the community
… it' good to have one TPAC for people to get togeher at the same time
… we already have AC meeting. TPAC is about lots of individual group meetings and joint meeting and breakouts -- some cross-community action, but focus is on group-internal and group-adjacent topics
… across whole community require different phase
… if we have 2nd one, expand AC meeting to an event to connect community more broadly
Kodajima: hirata-san's 2nd point, creating report is good
… we need to know how to utilize W3C
… each company more for travel and hotel
… we need to convince company saying this is meaningful
… we need to provide usecase to president for participations
… not only for AB or AC rep to participate
<Zakim> Kodajima, you wanted to ask more about utilization on each Company? Not only WG activity report
<Zakim> elenalape, you wanted to respond to Elika
elenalape: alternative senario. expenses would be potential problem
… as a private compnay, who do commercial events, we have to adjust people and community
… we could have TPAC and another TPAC more like showcase or exhibitor fair
… beneficial spliting up
… curious to speak to HR or marketing people
christos: like the idea of 2 TPACS. When I come to TPAC i need to submit report. I don't want to wait for 6 month or 1 year
tzviya8: communications have to improve
<jgraham> +1 on improving async vs looking to lean in to more in-person sync meeting