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14:55:39 <tpac-breakout-bot> Meeting: What can W3C do for members?
14:55:39 <tpac-breakout-bot> Chair: Tzviya Siegman, Naomi Yoshizawa
14:55:39 <tpac-breakout-bot> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/tpac2024-breakouts/issues/55
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22:57:43 <naomi> present+ tzviya, tamsin, Hiroshi_Ota, Daisuke_Kodajima, Tetsuhiko_Hirata, Osamiu_Nakamura, Ryoya_Kawai, Koichi_Moriyama, Kazumasa_Kokabe, Daniel_Montalvo, Don_Marti, Brian_Elton
22:59:36 <naomi> present+denkeni
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23:02:07 <naomi> present+ Wendy_Reid, asterns
23:02:25 <naomi> [Tzviya is introducing herself]
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23:03:20 <naomi> tzviya8: we will talk about engagement not only member relations. We want to strengthen retention
23:03:46 <naomi> ... we would like to have your inputs what W3C can do for members
23:03:56 <elenalape> present+
23:04:23 <Daniel> present+
23:04:41 <naomi> ... some projects have already in practice
23:04:48 <osamu> present+
23:04:54 <naomi> ... this is a list of a monthly summary in Japan
23:04:59 <Daniel> present+ Tamsin
23:05:17 <naomi> ... when I suggested to AB, they put lots of inputs something like to have more information
23:05:39 <naomi> ... they are also interested in having f2fs that are held in Japan and China for now
23:05:52 <naomi> ... maybe you might want to have another name or occassion
23:06:03 <naomi> ... you might want to have a language specific mailing list
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23:06:07 <fbedora> present+
23:06:09 <naomi> ... We also have chapters
23:06:19 <naomi> ... you can email me and Naomi directly
23:06:26 <tzviya8> q?
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23:06:53 <tzviya8> present+
23:07:32 <naomi> ota: I'm Ota from LY Corp. Very good important topic
23:07:45 <naomi> ... I found that "it depends on members"
23:07:56 <naomi> ... we need some flamework to understand for recognizing members
23:08:12 <naomi> ... there are many diversities but we can't cover a number of axis
23:08:17 <naomi> ... 1, member engagement level
23:08:26 <naomi> ... 2, Consumer level
23:08:39 <naomi> ... 3, Participants
23:08:40 <naomi> ... 4, Contributors
23:08:45 <naomi> ... 5. Chairs
23:08:55 <naomi> ... referred by Linux participation model
23:09:04 <naomi> ... another axix is language
23:09:30 <naomi> ... non-native members also have great ideas. It should be shared otherwise it would be a loss for W3C
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23:09:47 <naomi> ... non-native English speakers inclusion is important
23:09:51 <naomi> [slide 2]
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23:10:15 <naomi> ... member recognition table. See yellow parts with 2 axis
23:11:38 <naomi> ... engagement level can be divided into 2; Challenges faced by members and the other is Challenges particularly faced by non-native English speakers
23:12:06 <naomi> ... for green area, it should be supported by Global and the blue one should be provided by local
23:12:16 <naomi> ... we don't need to separate for #4
23:12:28 <naomi> [slide 3]
23:12:49 <naomi> ... it shows Global community and Local communities
23:13:29 <naomi> ... local communities should be more energized
23:14:04 <naomi> ... local communities need to have connection horizontally and vertically
23:14:07 <naomi> [slide 4]
23:14:32 <tzviya8> q?
23:14:38 <tzviya8> q+
23:14:46 <dmarti> q+
23:14:46 <naomi> ... suggestions 1, let's work together to complete the number analysis table with two axes, and 2, let's discuss how local communities work to energize members and promote their global communities
23:14:52 <tzviya8> ack me
23:14:54 <tzviya8> ack dmarti
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23:15:05 <naomi> dmarti: appreciate you mentioned about Linux foundation
23:15:18 <naomi> ... there are many levels of membership. lots of projects and sponsorship
23:15:31 <naomi> ... which of those Linux F model you are looking at?
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23:15:55 <naomi> ota: I looked for individual members'. We can discuss separately for each members
23:16:15 <naomi> dmarti: I work with Raptive that has 5000 pages but hard to have engagement with W3C
23:16:30 <dmarti> (5000 domains, small independent sites)
23:16:49 <dmarti> (generally on niche topics, subject matter experts but not web experts)
23:16:49 <naomi> tzviya8: membership model is very important. BoD is talking and making more fullfilled
23:16:58 <naomi> ... individual membership would be one of the items
23:17:05 <naomi> ... could solve some problems
23:17:23 <naomi> ... we definitely work with them such as OpenJS and others
23:17:48 <naomi> dmarti: Linux F has lots of orgs to work with. What can be copy their successful
23:18:02 <naomi> ... there are some overlapping
23:18:40 <naomi> tzviya8: how we can experience better?
23:18:55 <naomi> ... Ota-san pointed out communications
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23:19:32 <naomi> ... I heard members in North america. We heard member supports from Japan and China. It doesn't have to have f2f meetings all the time
23:19:42 <naomi> ... do you have any ideas around that?
23:19:58 <wendyreid> q+
23:20:06 <Kodajima> q+
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23:20:08 <naomi> dmarti: I remember late 90's. I would definitely appreciate more events communication channels
23:20:20 <naomi> ... breaking blicks
23:20:20 <tzviya8> ack wendyreid
23:20:35 <hadleybeeman> q?
23:20:42 <hadleybeeman> q+
23:20:55 <naomi> wendyreid: we did't have access to events. At TPAC, for example, we have 5 projects at the same time
23:21:08 <fantasai> s/events/in-person events in north america/
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23:21:21 <fantasai> s/we have 5/I learn about 5 new/
23:21:23 <naomi> ... TPAC is too busy to catch everything. Japanese member meeting has presentations of tech updates
23:21:35 <tzviya8> q+ to ask if this is what the member-led meeting should be
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23:22:00 <naomi> ... this feeds and other issues such as charters or recommendation process would also be good to be provided
23:22:01 <tzviya8> ack Kodajima
23:22:13 <dsinger> present+
23:22:25 <naomi> Kodajima: where W3C want to go? offline communication is great
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23:22:52 <dsinger> q+ to comment about balancing local cohesion with one W3C
23:23:01 <naomi> ... we want to acceralate web standards. If we want to increase new members, we need to handle differently
23:23:01 <BrianE> Present+
23:23:07 <BrianE> Q+
23:23:16 <naomi> tzviya8: good point, not only developer view but user ones
23:23:18 <hadleybeeman> present+
23:23:20 <annette_g> present+
23:23:42 <naomi> ... at least for now, we are continuing to technical standards one
23:23:57 <naomi> ... we know W3C dues is expensive. You need to talk to your executives
23:24:17 <naomi> ... and explain the value of W3C for decision makers
23:24:37 <tzviya8> ack hadleybeeman
23:24:38 <naomi> ... what we can help you to explain is to your president
23:24:49 <christos> present+
23:25:03 <naomi> hadley: a lot of fun things out this community happens are 2 people @2
23:25:21 <naomi> ... hard to do things without knowing people
23:25:42 <naomi> ... it requires structured agenda for a meeting
23:25:58 <tzviya8> s/2 people @2/ 2 people had an idea about something bothering them and starting working on it
23:26:08 <tzviya8> q- later
23:26:09 <naomi> ... social interaction is important
23:26:13 <tzviya8> vq?
23:26:43 <wendyreid> q+
23:26:49 <naomi> dsinger: about regional meeting. US particularly, we need to find a way of fostering sense of W3C members
23:27:10 <naomi> ... we need to better on regional meetings. we need to learn from other countries
23:27:17 <tzviya8> ack dsinger
23:27:17 <Zakim> dsinger, you wanted to comment about balancing local cohesion with one W3C
23:27:19 <tzviya8> ack BrianE
23:27:19 <naomi> ... we have Chapters
23:27:56 <naomi> BrianE: great for regional meetings. Companies tends to contribute specs on consumer level
23:28:01 <fantasai> s/particularly/particularly, don't develop sense of camaraderie. But also need to balance against global community/
23:28:05 <hadleybeeman> s/@2/getting together and brainstorming. But you have to know each other to create that opportunity -- it won't happen in a structured meeting with an agenda. The social connections foster a lot of the features of the web we all use and build on. More of that is good.
23:28:12 <fantasai> s/sense of W3C members/sense of being W3C members, not just regional members/
23:28:23 <naomi> ... I see value for uses and industry what's happening at W3C and how to utilize
23:28:25 <tzviya8> ack tzv
23:28:25 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask if this is what the member-led meeting should be
23:29:10 <naomi> tzviya8: I look for social interaction like hallway conversation. that construct @3
23:29:17 <naomi> ... to create global one W3C
23:29:32 <naomi> ... disseminate information
23:29:41 <wendyreid> s/@3/to have regional meetings, but preserve the desire/
23:29:44 <naomi> ... AB is holding AB-led meeting every month
23:30:07 <naomi> ... Wendy and Chris, charis of AB always try to figure out what we should put information disseminate
23:30:29 <naomi> ... another possibilities is dashboard with automated translation
23:30:38 <naomi> ... we have to figure out for summarize
23:30:51 <tzviya8> ack wendyreid
23:31:06 <naomi> wendyreid: +1 desire to make monthly member meeting more effective
23:31:38 <naomi> ... AB is interested in why we could have 2 AC meetings in a year
23:32:10 <naomi> ... logistical challenges are co-locating f2f meetings
23:32:27 <naomi> ... 4-5 groups to get together agreeing have f2fs
23:32:32 <fantasai> s/interested in why we could have 2 AC meetings/considered idea of 2 TPAC meetings/
23:33:06 <fantasai> s/logistical challenges are/but that may be too much. Another idea is reducing F2F logistical challenges by/
23:33:07 <elenalape> q+
23:33:08 <tzviya8> q?
23:33:13 <tzviya8> ack elenalape
23:33:29 <naomi> elenalape: +1 for 2nd TPAC idea
23:33:54 <naomi> ... value proposition is hard
23:34:20 <naomi> ... we have something to talk at TPAC
23:35:05 <naomi> Hirata: Two ideas for improving member engagement
23:35:24 <naomi> ... 1, holding 1 on 1
23:35:44 <jgraham> q+
23:35:52 <naomi> ... AB-led member meeting is really good but the number of participants are not high yet
23:36:14 <naomi> ... even people participates, it's hard for some people to speak up
23:36:27 <naomi> ... so 1 on 1 would work
23:36:38 <naomi> ... by team of Ambassador but they are busy
23:36:58 <naomi> ... it maybe effective picking up carefully member voices
23:37:06 <naomi> ... 2, Providing W3C Overview
23:37:39 <naomi> ... if we have such a monthly document, participants can persuade their boss for the participation
23:37:55 <naomi> ... the material should be reviewed within 10 min
23:38:04 <tzviya8> ack next
23:38:09 <naomi> tzviya8: thank you Hirata-san
23:38:20 <naomi> jgraham: about 2 TPACS
23:38:53 <naomi> ... travel could be hard and @3
23:39:00 <Kodajima> q+ #2 can we ask more about utilization on each Company? Not only WG activity report
23:39:17 <naomi> ... we can have online ones as well
23:39:17 <tzviya8> s/@3/it's very carbon intensive
23:39:20 <tzviya8> ack next
23:39:21 <Zakim> fantasai, you wanted to comment on 2 TPACs
23:39:37 <naomi> fantasai: one concern on 2 TPACs. People might pick one of it
23:39:59 <naomi> ... it' good to have one TPAC for people to get togeher at the same time
23:39:59 <wendyreid> q+ Kodajima to ask more about utilization on each Company? Not only WG activity report
23:40:42 <naomi> ... we already have AC meeting. TPAC is about lots of individual and joint meeting and breakouts
23:41:02 <naomi> ... across whole community require different phase
23:41:25 <naomi> ... if we have 2nd one, AC meeting to be connect community more broadly
23:41:46 <elenalape> q+ to respond to Elika
23:41:47 <naomi> Kodajima: hirata-san's 2nd point, creating report is good
23:41:54 <naomi> ... we need to know how to utilize W3C
23:42:02 <naomi> ... each company more for travel and hotel
23:42:14 <naomi> ... we need to convince company saying this is meaningful
23:42:34 <naomi> ... we need to provide usecase to president for participations
23:42:42 <naomi> ... not only for AB or AC rep to participate
23:43:16 <tzviya8> q?
23:43:20 <tzviya8> ack Kodajima
23:43:20 <Zakim> Kodajima, you wanted to ask more about utilization on each Company? Not only WG activity report
23:43:22 <fantasai> s/People might pick one of it/Groups might pick one vs other, and that would fragment the community/
23:43:22 <tzviya8> ack elenalape
23:43:23 <Zakim> elenalape, you wanted to respond to Elika
23:43:51 <naomi> elenalape: alternative senario. expenses would be potential problem
23:44:11 <fantasai> s/AC meeting to be connect/expand AC meeting to an event to connect/
23:44:13 <naomi> ... as a private compnay, who do commercial events, we have to adjust people and community
23:44:29 <fantasai> s/individual and/individual group meetings and/
23:44:42 <christos> q+ about enabling more async collaboration to increase value proposition
23:44:46 <naomi> ... we could have TPAC and another TPAC more like showcase or exhibitor fair
23:44:54 <naomi> ... beneficial spliting up
23:44:55 <fantasai> s/and breakouts/and breakouts -- some cross-community action, but focus is on group-internal and group-adjacent topics/
23:45:00 <tzviya8> q+ christos
23:45:23 <naomi> ... curious to speak to HR or marketing people
23:45:24 <tzviya8> ack christos
23:45:55 <naomi> christos: like the idea of 2 TPACS. When I come to TPAC i need to submit report. I don't want to wait for 6 month or 1 year
23:46:37 <naomi> tzviya8: communications have to improve
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23:46:41 <jgraham> +1 on improving async vs looking to lean in to more in-person sync meeting
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