W3C

– DRAFT –
Implied Meaning WCAG 3 subgroup

17 sep 2024

Attendees

Present
Frankie, julierawe, kirkwood, Laura_Carlson, LenB, Makoto
Regrets
Jan, John R
Chair
julierawe
Scribe
julierawe

Meeting minutes

AG feedback

We got feedback from some AG members asking to shift the focus from what humans can do to what tools can do

Laura, can you present +?

julierawe is asking Rachael for more specifics on how to move the draft forward, are we expanding some sections or making bigger structural changes

LenB Might this mean we need to develop a separate outcome?

LenB W3C has separate lists of evaluation tools

LenB Those have guidance on how to evaluate the tools

LenB I caution on our side to get too specific in this particular outcome, especially if we want an evergreen document that we don't have to update annually.

LenB Put the tools in a space that is separate from the outcome.

kirkwood We can name types of tools rather than specific tools

Frankie This feels like a distraction. We still have a lot of examples to put in in English.

Frankie I was starting to get confused on how we're structuring the document.

Frankie We still need to include examples in the bulleted list. Plenty of work to do without getting distracted by digging into tools.

Frankie Are we going to continue to fill in the gaps?

<Laura_Carlson> Suggest just adding tools as "possible future method" dependent on how.

Laura_Carlson Maybe we just talk about a future method

<Laura_Carlson> Things progress.

julierawe We won't meet next week during TPAC

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit#heading=h.d43df5fxyg8f

Frankie Are we pulling from the longer list that is lower down in the doc?

julierawe We can pull from the examples lower down in the doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit#heading=h.gi01i9iqa27h

Laura_Carlson I think we can pare down the examples

kirkwood Do we use example that is not in the dictionary? "Midas touch' is in the dictionary

LenB Newsnow.com has used "Midas touch" in several articles recently

<LenB> We might be able to use a site like NewsNow.com to find recent / modern examples. Ex: https://www.newsnow.com/us/?search=%22Midas%20Touch%22&lang=en&searchheadlines=1

kirkwood We should choose examples that are not in the dictionary

Frankie I worry we're going to get stuck on one specific example

Frankie What level of detail should we include for each example?

julierawe Onomatopoeia: A word or phrase that names something based on sounds associated with what is named. Example in English: “Grrr!” to indicate anger or frustration.

Could the formula be "Example in English: "X" means "Y.""

Frankie I think having a short simple example is the right way to go.

Frankie Are we going to get rid of the obsolete lists?

Laura_Carlson and LenB agreed

julierawe I will streamline the document so we don't have duplicate sections and so we don't lose any work in the streamlining

Frankie will look at the long list of free-form examples and use as inspiration for very short sentence to add up high to the bulleted list. "Example in English: X means Y."

julierawe I will share Rachael's feedback on where we should mention tools in our draft and how much detail to include about them

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