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12:58:23 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
12:58:27 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
12:58:39 <julierawe> Meeting: Implied Meaning WCAG 3 subgroup
12:59:07 <julierawe> date: 17 sep 2024
12:59:16 <julierawe> Regrets: John R, Jan
12:59:33 <julierawe> zakim, clear agenda
12:59:33 <Zakim> agenda cleared
12:59:47 <julierawe> Agenda+ AG feedback
12:59:53 <julierawe> present+
13:00:12 <julierawe> zakim, next item
13:00:12 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- AG feedback -- taken up [from julierawe]
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13:09:12 <julierawe> We got feedback from some AG members asking to shift the focus from what humans can do to what tools can do
13:13:45 <julierawe> Laura, can you present +?
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13:19:13 <julierawe> julierawe is asking Rachael for more specifics on how to move the draft forward, are we expanding some sections or making bigger structural changes
13:20:00 <julierawe> LenB Might this mean we need to develop a separate outcome?
13:20:11 <julierawe> LenB W3C has separate lists of evaluation tools
13:20:25 <julierawe> LenB Those have guidance on how to evaluate the tools
13:21:05 <julierawe> LenB I caution on our side to get too specific in this particular outcome, especially if we want an evergreen document that we don't have to update annually.
13:21:38 <julierawe> LenB Put the tools in a space that is separate from the outcome.
13:24:24 <julierawe> kirkwood We can name types of tools rather than specific tools
13:24:41 <julierawe> Frankie This feels like a distraction. We still have a lot of examples to put in in English.
13:24:53 <julierawe> Frankie I was starting to get confused on how we're structuring the document.
13:25:35 <julierawe> Frankie We still need to include examples in the bulleted list. Plenty of work to do without getting distracted by digging into tools.
13:25:48 <julierawe> Frankie Are we going to continue to fill in the gaps?
13:28:28 <Laura_Carlson> Suggest just adding tools as "possible future method" dependent on how.
13:28:36 <julierawe> Laura_Carlson Maybe we just talk about a future method
13:28:40 <Laura_Carlson> Things progress.
13:28:48 <julierawe> julierawe We won't meet next week during TPAC
13:29:03 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit#heading=h.d43df5fxyg8f
13:29:38 <julierawe> Frankie Are we pulling from the longer list that is lower down in the doc?
13:31:54 <julierawe> julierawe We can pull from the examples lower down in the doc
13:33:48 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P7fOyEPVlqf1aXuJY0SO9LeC-E7EZllg/edit#heading=h.gi01i9iqa27h
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13:43:41 <julierawe> Laura_Carlson I think we can pare down the examples
13:46:23 <julierawe> kirkwood Do we use example that is not in the dictionary? "Midas touch' is in the dictionary
13:47:00 <julierawe> LenB Newsnow.com has used "Midas touch" in several articles recently
13:48:21 <LenB> We might be able to use a site like NewsNow.com to find recent / modern examples. Ex: https://www.newsnow.com/us/?search=%22Midas%20Touch%22&lang=en&searchheadlines=1
13:50:41 <julierawe> kirkwood We should choose examples that are not in the dictionary
13:51:45 <julierawe> Frankie I worry we're going to get stuck on one specific example
13:52:00 <julierawe> Frankie What level of detail should we include for each example?
13:53:06 <julierawe> julierawe Onomatopoeia: A word or phrase that names something based on sounds associated with what is named. Example in English: “Grrr!” to indicate anger or frustration.
13:54:16 <julierawe> Could the formula be "Example in English: "X" means "Y.""
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13:55:23 <julierawe> Frankie I think having a short simple example is the right way to go.
13:55:35 <kirkwood> present+
13:56:09 <julierawe> Frankie Are we going to get rid of the obsolete lists?
13:56:18 <julierawe> Laura_Carlson and LenB agreed
13:59:04 <julierawe> julierawe I will streamline the document so we don't have duplicate sections and so we don't lose any work in the streamlining
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14:00:21 <julierawe> Frankie will look at the long list of free-form examples and use as inspiration for very short sentence to add up high to the bulleted list. "Example in English: X means Y."
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14:01:51 <julierawe> julierawe I will share Rachael's feedback on where we should mention tools in our draft and how much detail to include about them
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