Meeting minutes
<ivan> date: 2024-09-06
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wendyreid: Meeting is coming up!
… there are pointers to some topics, but want feedback (on existing items and missing items)
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wendyreid: Also please register if you plan to attend - even if remote!
… we will start with scrolled content/webtoons
… would like to get as much implementation stuff as possible
… next is substantive changes to epub
… mostly xhtml stuff
duga: I asked for the making changes discussion to be first because it might impact the web toons discussion
… depending on the direction we choose and the type of change it is
CharlesL: Having webtoons first might push the next meeting
<Hadrien> +1 for substantive changes as the first item
ivan: Order is due to timing concerns
duga: We did discuss that at the last meeting, we asked, we got a lot of "that's a bad time but we'll be there"
shiestyle: Asking about timezone in Japanese
wendyreid: Alternate proposal: do webtoons at the end of the day, early morning Japan time
AvneeshSingh: Maybe discuss at TPAC but not make a final decision
… Gives us some wiggle room to discuss at the WG meeting
wendyreid: Agreed, we don't have to decide
… But it would be great to decide on webtoons
ivan: Would prefer to make a final decision at TPAC
… this has been dragging for too long
wendyreid: If we open the issues and we have pre-discussion
… would that help?
ivan: Yes, but we should aim to close at TPAC
wendyreid: [continues to review current agenda]
… if there are any links missing for annotations please let me know, Then on to legistlation
ivan: Back to annotations, I wonder if Laurent can talk more about their project
LaurentLM: No, not too early
… we will be able to put it on github and discuss before TPAC
… Main issue is identifiers and locators
wendyreid: EU a11y act, and ADA was updated (Title 2 requires WCAG 2.1 stuff)
… Title 3 will likely also be updated
… then audio book a11y and text to speech
… Hadrien, maybe you can talk to this?
Hadrien: yes, I will be remote, but I will attend and discuss
wendyreid: Last bit is any other business
ivan: Depends on Matt being there, since he knows what has changed
matt: I will be there
duga: For webtoons, homework for people is to look at the existing issue and the proposals
duga: Precomment before TPAC, is there any homework for the changes to EPUB topic
… what are the process requirements?
… is there any documentation we need before Anaheim
ivan: I won't make you read the process doc, but for any major changes we need to recharter
… we're close-ish to the end of our charter, so we may be helping ourselves
… we need to define what we want to do clearly
tzviya_: We met back in 2019 in Toronto where we talked about this, we may need to dig up the minutes
… serializing HTML
… many of us were there, we talked a lot about the pros and cons
… we don't need to repeat ourselves, so we should review ahead
… I don't know if it's good or bad to review them, things have changed, but it may give people perspective
… the question now is what can reading systems handle
… publishers will adapt
Hadrien: Want to mention something else
… I have been working in accessible comics, how it is produced today and what could be done to make them truely accessible
… right now it is just a script and no more
… created some alternate examples, what is different about comics, etc
… may apply to fixed layout content and a11y
… may also apply to webtoons
… could also apply to regulation, depending on what happens with legistlation around a11y and comics
AvneeshSingh: Commenting on charter - before we even think about the charter we have to tackle the problem Tzviya mentioned
… We need to discuss strategy so we don't end up writing a spec and no one comes
… we should figure out what the plan is for epub next, which should be the focus
ivan: I agree, and as part of the charter this is necessary
… But under the current charter, our hands are very tied
… back to html5 - it became a little more urgent because the XHTML is no longer going forward
CharlesL: I am testing a bunch of fixed layout books and found some interesting results
… Looking at several readers
… would love to get this example comic and share results
tzviya_: We had a website that had all the minutes from the IG
… I will look for the minutes
ivan: I will look as well
… maybe it was the Digital Publishing Working Group
AvneeshSingh: And it was discussed in the epubwg
… Would it be possible to create an xhtml->html task force headed by someone who understands the problems
wendyreid: There are two issues - impact to RS and publishers
… Mostly the tooling side
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ivan: We need something like that even for the recharter
wendyreid: Other side is, what version of epub do we mean? Probably not 3.3
ivan: Introducing the new and improved Tzviya!
… She has a new job and she is now on W3C staff
… staff can't chair, which is why she is no longer a chair
… Thank you Tzviya for everything, and we hope you will stay in the group!
tzviya_: I am the Sustainability Lead, working on member engagement in NA
… And I will be sticking around the group
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wendyreid: We can end a little early, but *please* register for TPAC if you are coming
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