Meeting minutes
Agenda Review & Announcements
discussion on joining the #apa channel on https://
Round of introductions
Angela: Background in education and accessibility. Transitioned from education to siteimprove. Joined EA wg in Dec, but now discontinued. Disability advocate. Also on LinkedIn.
… Living accessibility every day.
TPAC 2024 Planning
janina: A lot of meetings are scheduled - more to come.
https://
… Request this week: Propose breakouts
… If you propose a break-out, please copy me and Matthew
Interim update on WCAG2ICT reivew
https://
<Roy> w3c/
<Roy> https://
Note: https://
NehaJ: My team is reviewing this currently.
janina: And Dr. Keith, and Matthew.
This document originally was created on the request of the US Access Board, and also by the European Commission.
… Group working on it has almost finished. Now requesting review.
Gottfried: Important piece for the next version of EN 301 549 v4.1.1. Please add me to the reviewing group.
NehaJ: I will add you to the Google doc.
EPUB Fixed Layout
janina: Note track document - no formal review process
https://
janina: Concerns about accessibility
janina: A fixed layout EPUB doc will not achieve the level of accessibility as in a regular EPUB doc.
janina: Calling it "accessibility" (title) is not useful.
janina: APA can create a draft comment expressing these concerns.
gautierchomel: I participated in the writing of this document.
gautierchomel: First XML, then HTML, then HTML5. Publishing industry now part of W3C.
… EPUB3 is the gold standard for accessible ebooks.
… There is a need in the publishing industry for fixed layout.
… Print equivalents, academic contexts
… Need for more resilient version of fixed layout.
… Problem: You cannot reflow text.
… Like in PDF.
Two perspectives: (1) Screenreader receives reflowable content. (2) Changes on visual layout possible??
… Screenreader users were not missing anything.
… Better semantics than PDF. Same issues with visual layout as PDF.
PaulG: PDF allows for programmatic reading order. But this document does not address author-controlled reading order.
… Not convinced that this is better than PDF. PDF would handle reading order.
… PDFs have a feature "touchup reading order".
gautierchomel: Reading order is included in this document.
https://
PaulG: I don't see a recommendation about author-controlled reading order here.
… How does this doc recommend what to do about reading order. I cannot find this here. Only problems are stated.
gautierchomel: There is no "programmatic reading order" in EPUB.
PaulG: If fixed layout breaks the default order of elements in how they are presented visually, there should be a way to define the reading order.
janina: The question is what does this doc achieve.
PaulG: No recommendation on what to do in these problematic cases.
… We should have the technology of programmatic reading order. What does EPUB bring onto the table here?
gautierchomel: Not a problem in EPUB since it is HTML5..
janina: There is no guidance as to how to achieve accessibility how we expect it.
… Change title to "Accessibility challenges"?
… Or create a spec with normative requirements.
… Since it is a note, there are no recommendations, only issues. It is an exploratory document. But call it different.
… There is a way to have fixed layout and have reflow - but different topic.
PaulG: If EPUB 3.3 has a technical solution of defining a reading order, this doc needs to hint at this solution.
<gautierchomel> there an attached techniques document: https://
PaulG: Doc is readable, but not necessarily helping to make docs more accessible.
… The techniques document has useful content here.
janina: We need to discuss this further in APA.
Task Force &&Deliverables Updates
<PaulG> w3c/
CSS Update (Paul)
PaulG: CSS Media Queries Level 5. Win for user preferences.
Actions check-in
Other business
janina: Meeting adjourned