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Github issues

Github issues discussed last week to cooperate

JJ: new comments: 1.4.4 Resize text new issue

<JJ> SC 1.4.4 issue: w3c/matf#3

Jamie: elaborating on comment to Github issue on 1.4.4

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victoria: it should be a violation if there is an option to increase text size in the OS
… agree that pinch to zoom satisfies 1.4.4 but it may not wor for all...

<JJ> Detlev: explaining German ways of testing 1.4.4

<AlainVagner> EN 301 549 criterion 11.7 "User preferences": https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_en/301500_301599/301549/03.02.01_60/en_301549v030201p.pdf#page=82

Detlev explains line of though linking 1.4.4 ans 11.7 (EN 301 549)

JJ add to Github issue, please

<JJ> SC 1.4.13 - w3c/matf#6 (comment)

<JJ> SC 2.1.1 - w3c/matf#12 (comment)

<JJ> SC 1.3.5 - w3c/matf#2 (comment)

JJ going through new comments to these SCs

<JJ> Definition of sets - w3c/matf#11 (comment)

2.4.5 Multiple Ways

<JJ> https://w3c.github.io/wcag2ict/#multiple-ways

if you have comments on that put yourself on queue with p+

in an app we are normally dealing with processes / flows

JJ: discussing differences between web and app - does 2.4.5 really aplly to mobile apps

JJ: is that desirable that there are multiple ways

Alain: when you have navigation but often no additional search function or site map
… could sometimes be applied to mobile applications
… it is an exception in the EN

<Mick> Section 508 standards for software also list WCAG 2.4.5 as an exception.

explaining why 2.4.5 as well as consistent id and consistent nav are not covered in our BIK test procedure

JJ: the new ADA has no exception for 2.4.5 for apps

JJ: hinges on what is considered a process in an app

Rachele: Losts of apps have a tab bar - they are nto discrete entities but pare of a whole - so probably does not apply

Mick: we look at it as a flow - users can find it difficult to get back

Jamie: web versions of processes such as a financial transfer - is it considered the same thing in an app and thus a good example for a set of pages / screens?

Good to identify the processes we see to check whether they are equivalent

JJ: agree, will help to see examples of processes

JJ: Tries to set up a meeting with someone from theWCAG2ICT TF to discuss examples of "sets of software"

JJ: will link into GitHub issues

3.1.1 Language of Page

JJ: in HTML there is lang attrivute - in apps there are localized resources - acknowledged by WCAG2ICT

JJ (reading note from 3.1.1 in WCAG2ICT doc)

JJ: iOS has acessibilitylanguage in Android no equivalent - but ways to localize resources and checks of language set in the OS

JJ: problematic when device is set to English but the app is Dutch - so the screen reader may use the wrong language
… more thoughs about "language of page" and how to set it in an app?

<JJ> IRC Cheatsheet: https://github.com/w3c/matf/wiki/IRC-Cheatsheet

no comments on language

JJ: sharing appt.org resources for localizing assets

JJ: setting language for strings
… iOS has the same via accessibilitySpeechLanguage

JJ: this is more applying to language of parts

Karla: A point regarding currencies say match dollar and pesos or length values

JJ: there is stuff in the EN about user preferences (km / miles)

Alain: language of parts is usefull because people may use muliple languages on the same app. We should discuss how to test it

Zakim: make minutes

3.1.2 Language of Parts

JJ: (explaining the intent of 3.1.2)
… software replaces page
… section 508 this is excluded, also in the EN s301 549 - thi sis surprising because it can be done

JJ: contentwis it can be challenging but that's the same for web stuff

<AlainVagner> To apply the related web page requirement for "Language of parts" to software would require the

<AlainVagner> marking-up of all text in all locations within the software. This would be impossible so an equivalent is

<AlainVagner> not included in this clause on software requirements

Alain: for the EN (reads the rationale why it is not covernd for software)

JJ: maybe it means that it is more difficult to achieve - not quite clear

JJ: why is it impossible?

<AlainVagner> I have checked in the GitLab of the EN 301 549, there is no issue about this SC.

JJ: possible in iOS and Androind, possibly more difficult in other Software environments
… no issue in the issue tracker for EN 301549 - maybe we should create one?
… was frst excluded in section 508, EN followed on

Gleidson: it is difficult to implement in the Android development environment - nothing documented

Gleidson: was referring to Jetpack Compose

JJ: will discuss with WCAG2ICT to see how we can cooperate

<JJ> SC 2.1.1 issue: w3c/matf#12

Detlev: explaining why keyboard a11y is difficult

Attendees

<JJ> Attendees are not correctly logged in the minutes.

<JJ> Attendees: JJ, Detlev, audrey, AlainVagner, RacheleD, Karla, Mick, Devanshu, Jamie, Gleidson, Victoria