W3C

– DRAFT –
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

30 May 2024

Attendees

Present
Addison, atsushi, Bert, JcK, Richard, xfq
Regrets
-
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
atsushi

Meeting minutes

Agenda Review

Action Items

<addison> #103

<gb> Action 103 Migrate RADAR project (on aphillips)

addison: github migration of RADAR
… will prepare by next meeting, and will let you know about

r12a: xfq is trying to investigate

<xfq> https://github.com/users/xfq/projects/2/views/1

xfq: actually did some before
… tried to produce something here
… looks like it's possible, good to try migration and use

<addison> #102

addison: let us talk next meeting

<gb> Action 102 ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620 (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30

addison: sent email

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-arabic/2024AprJun/0005.html

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-hebrew/2024AprJun/0000.html

addison: about direction etc., and email above

<addison> #101

<gb> Action 101 research what if anything to do with dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments (on xfq) due 2024-05-30

<addison> #100

<gb> Action 100 complain to plh about the new IRC tool (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30

<addison> #99

<gb> Action 99 ping unicode about emphasis skip property (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28

addison: sent, and will get advice

xfq: about latin lreq, clreq meeting yesterday talked about
… would update document with the same structure as new alreq documents
… can do later

addison: sent email to Unicode, and how do all want to do

<addison> #98

<gb> Action 98 fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23

addion: got information/advice from them, and check these

<addison> #96

<gb> Action 96 evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02

<addison> #93

<gb> Action 93 create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25

addison: more work on this, suggestion welcome

<addison> ```suggestion

<addison> #90

<gb> Action 90 steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18

<addison> #89

<gb> Action 89 update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18

<addison> #87

<gb> Action 87 write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04

<addison> #79

<gb> Action 79 schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

<addison> #78

<gb> Action 78 compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07

<addison> #43

<gb> Action 43 pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18

<addison> #33

<gb> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)

<addison> #8

<gb> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023

<addison> #7

<gb> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023

<addison> #4

<gb> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023

Info Share

<r12a> https://w3c.social/@webi18n/112530275028486758

r12a: FPWD of adlam layout document has out today

RADAR Review

<addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

addison: no new incoming
… did pointer events lv3 issue

addison: did web translation api

bert: about web trasnlation explainer, did some check, and filed some

RADAR Review

Pending Issue Review

<addison> w3c/i18n-activity#1853

<gb> Issue 1853 ‘Logical’ values for the ‘touch-action’ property (by bert-github) [s:pointerevents]

bert: found only one potential issue on pointer events
… about touch-action property

[describe draft review issue]

addison: this spec should work as other CSS specs, on bidi etc.

bert: CSS groups trying to use commonly sheared terminology like logical one

<xfq> pan-inline, pan-inline-start, pan-inline-end, pan-block, pan-block-start, pan-block-end

r12a: will take up these possible values and put as comments

<xfq> w3c/pointerevents#272

<gb> Issue 272 Add logical dimension values for touch-action property, since logical is/has shipped (by jonjohnjohnson) [future]

xfq: there is existing issue above

<addison> w3c/pointerevents#272

<addison> w3c/pointerevents#496

<gb> Pull Request 496 Add logical/abstract values for `touch-action` (by patrickhlauke) [future]

bert: PR is corresponds to existing issue

addison: any objection to make this as needs-resolution?

bert: will file new issue, after rewritting

<addison> w3c/i18n-activity#1854

<gb> Issue 1854 Internationalization checklist (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:device-posture]

<addison> i18n-activity#1852

<gb> Issue 1852 [css-text-3][css-text-4] Japanese small kana and `line-break: normal` (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:css-text] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq]

addison: added as agenda later

Emphasis skip property

<addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2024AprJun/0055.html

addison: suggested three different approaches

xfq: CJK and mongolian need to consider
… if they want to discuss on different behavior/character

addison: potentially these should be included in cldr

xfq: even for language dependent stuff, some of them can be in UCD instead of CLDR

String-Meta Consumer PR

<addison> w3c/string-meta#87

<gb> Pull Request 87 Create best practices for consumers (by aphillips)

<addison> https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers

addison: some work done for this

addison: rewrote some masterd with clear text

addison: 3rd and 4th ones are somehow redundant

r12a: wondering but see some addition

addison: wondring about writing example box with html text
… something like how to isolate string and language metadata
… link to fancy illustration

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-html-dir.en.html#insertedtext

r12a: here is some description on that front

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/index.en.html#whattodo

<addison> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/bidi_examples.html

addison: do we have some action for fixing up isolation part?

addison: missing anything else?

AOB?

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All speakers: addion, addison, bert, r12a, xfq

Active on IRC: addison, atsushi, Bert, JcK, r12a, xfq