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13:47:04 <addison> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:47:11 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/6d544156-352c-46f2-b6ec-383b4e2462fb/20240530T150000/
13:47:11 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:47:11 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:47:11 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:47:14 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:47:16 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:47:17 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:47:18 <agendabot> agenda+ Pending Issue Review
13:47:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Emphasis skip property
13:47:23 <agendabot> agenda+ String-Meta Consumer PR
13:47:25 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
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13:57:05 <addison> present+ Addison
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14:04:45 <atsushi> present+
14:05:26 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:05:26 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:05:28 <Bert> present+
14:05:30 <addison> agenda?
14:05:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:05:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:03 <addison> #103
14:06:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/103 -> Action 103 Migrate RADAR project (on aphillips)
14:06:05 <xfq> present+
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14:06:25 <atsushi> addison: github migration of RADAR
14:06:48 <atsushi> ... will prepare by next meeting, and will let you know about
14:07:02 <atsushi> r12a: xfq is trying to investigate
14:07:13 <xfq> https://github.com/users/xfq/projects/2/views/1
14:07:17 <atsushi> xfq: actually did  some before
14:07:30 <JcK> present+ JcK
14:07:32 <atsushi> ... tried to produce something here
14:07:50 <atsushi> ... looks like it's possible, good to try migration and use
14:08:24 <addison> #102
14:08:24 <atsushi> addison: let us talk next meeting
14:08:24 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/102 -> Action 102  ping alreq group to review our i18n-activity#1620 (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30
14:08:54 <atsushi> addison: sent email
14:09:17 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-arabic/2024AprJun/0005.html
14:09:30 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-hebrew/2024AprJun/0000.html
14:09:30 <atsushi> addison: about direction etc., and email above
14:10:15 <addison> #101
14:10:16 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/101 -> Action 101  research what if anything to do with dpub-pagination comments and old DPIG comments (on xfq) due 2024-05-30
14:10:31 <addison> #100
14:10:32 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/100 -> Action 100  complain to plh about the new IRC tool (on aphillips) due 2024-05-30
14:10:47 <addison> #99
14:10:47 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/99 -> Action 99  ping unicode about emphasis skip property (see our #530) (on aphillips) due 2024-05-28
14:10:52 <atsushi> addison: sent, and will get advice
14:11:17 <atsushi> xfq: about emphasis, clreq meeting yesterday talked about
14:11:28 <atsushi> ... would update document with the same structure as new alreq documents
14:12:11 <atsushi> ... can do later
14:12:19 <xfq> s/about emphasis/about latin lreq
14:12:26 <atsushi> addison: sent email to Unicode, and how do all want to do
14:12:55 <addison> #98
14:12:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/98 -> Action 98  fix code points examples in lang-bidi-use-cases (on r12a) due 2024-05-23
14:13:34 <atsushi> addion: got information/advice from them, and check these
14:13:49 <addison> #96
14:13:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/96 -> Action 96  evaluate and where necessary fix i18n-glossary#76 (on r12a) due 2024-05-02
14:14:00 <addison> #93
14:14:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/93 -> Action 93  create best practices for consumers in string-meta (on aphillips) due 2024-04-25
14:14:23 <atsushi> addison: more work on this, feedback welcome
14:14:52 <addison> ```suggestion
14:15:27 <atsushi> s/feedback/suggestion
14:16:56 <addison> #90
14:16:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/90 -> Action 90  steal some of henri's text from scroll-to-text-fragment for string-search (on aphillips) due 2024-04-18
14:17:08 <addison> #89
14:17:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/89 -> Action 89  update i18n specs to support dark mode (on xfq) due 2024-04-18
14:17:16 <addison> #87
14:17:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/87 -> Action 87  write to IETF ADs about RFC9457 with JcK's assistance (on aphillips) due 2024-04-04
14:17:28 <addison> #79
14:17:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/79 -> Action 79  schedule a follow-up call with WHATNOT in ~April (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:17:48 <addison> #78
14:17:48 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/78 -> Action 78  compare infra to i18n-glossary export list and report back (on aphillips) due 2024-03-07
14:17:58 <addison> #43
14:17:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/43 -> Action 43  pull together the list of win/mac/etc apis for setting base direction and/or language (on aphillips) due 2023-09-18
14:18:15 <addison> #33
14:18:16 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/33 -> Action 33 Close issues marked `close?` or bring to WG for further review (on aphillips)
14:18:27 <addison> #8
14:18:28 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/8 -> Action 8 Follow up on the status of Canvas and formatted text (on aphillips) due 18 Jul 2023
14:18:31 <addison> #7
14:18:32 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/7 -> Action 7 Remind shepherds to tend to their awaiting comment resolutions (Evergreen) (on aphillips, xfq, himorin, r12a, bert-github) due 18 Jul 2023
14:18:41 <addison> #4
14:18:42 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/4 -> Action 4 Work with respec and bikeshed to provide the character markup template as easy-to-use markup (on r12a) due 27 Jul 2023
14:19:54 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:19:54 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:20:38 <r12a> https://w3c.social/@webi18n/112530275028486758
14:20:49 <atsushi> r12a: FPWD of adlam layout document has out today
14:21:47 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:21:47 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:21:59 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:22:10 <atsushi> addison: no new incoming
14:22:21 <atsushi> ... did pointer events lv3 issue
14:22:55 <atsushi> addison: did web translation api
14:23:33 <atsushi> bert: about web trasnlation explainer, did some check, and filed some
14:23:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:23:45 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:23:57 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:23:57 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Pending Issue Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:24:08 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1853
14:24:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1853 -> Issue 1853 ‘Logical’ values for the ‘touch-action’ property (by bert-github) [s:pointerevents]
14:24:34 <atsushi> bert: found only one potential issue on pointer events
14:24:48 <atsushi> ... about touch-action property
14:24:55 <atsushi> [describe draft review issue]
14:30:11 <atsushi> addison: this spec should work as other CSS specs, on bidi etc.
14:30:33 <atsushi> bert: CSS groups trying to use commonly sheared terminology like logical one
14:31:16 <xfq> pan-inline, pan-inline-start, pan-inline-end, pan-block, pan-block-start, pan-block-end
14:31:47 <atsushi> r12a: will take up these possible values and put as comments
14:31:57 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/272
14:31:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/272 -> Issue 272 Add logical dimension values for touch-action property, since logical is/has shipped (by jonjohnjohnson) [future]
14:31:59 <atsushi> xfq: there is existing issue above
14:32:24 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/272
14:32:34 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/496
14:32:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/496 -> Pull Request 496 Add logical/abstract values for `touch-action` (by patrickhlauke) [future]
14:32:51 <atsushi> bert: PR is corresponds to existing issue
14:33:22 <atsushi> addison: any objection to make this as needs-resolution?
14:35:36 <atsushi> bert: will file new issue, after rewritting
14:36:02 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1854
14:36:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1854 -> Issue 1854 Internationalization checklist (by w3cbot) [tracker] [s:device-posture]
14:36:38 <addison> i18n-activity#1852
14:36:38 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1852 -> Issue 1852 [css-text-3][css-text-4] Japanese small kana and `line-break: normal` (by w3cbot) [pending] [tracker] [s:css-text] [spec-type-issue] [jlreq]
14:36:59 <atsushi> addison: added as agenda later
14:37:19 <addison> agenda?
14:37:29 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:37:29 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Emphasis skip property -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:38:08 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2024AprJun/0055.html
14:38:27 <atsushi> addison: suggested three different approaches
14:39:20 <atsushi> xfq: CJK and mongolian need to consider
14:39:34 <atsushi> ... if they want to discuss on different behavior/character
14:39:52 <atsushi> addison: potentially these should be included in cldr
14:40:16 <atsushi> xfq: even for language dependency, there are character dependency
14:41:36 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:41:36 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- String-Meta Consumer PR -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:41:46 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/87
14:41:47 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/string-meta/pull/87 -> Pull Request 87 Create best practices for consumers (by aphillips)
14:42:00 <xfq> even for language dependent stuff, some of them can be in UCD instead of CLDR
14:42:01 <addison> https://deploy-preview-87--string-meta.netlify.app/#bp-consumers
14:42:04 <atsushi> addison: some work done for this
14:42:06 <xfq> s/even for language dependent stuff, some of them can be in UCD instead of CLDR//
14:42:23 <xfq> s/even for language dependency, there are character dependency/even for language dependent stuff, some of them can be in UCD instead of CLDR/
14:46:22 <atsushi> addison: rewrote some masterd with clear text
14:47:20 <atsushi> addison: 3rd and 4th ones are somehow redundant
14:48:01 <atsushi> r12a: wondering but see some addition
14:49:37 <atsushi> addison: wondring about writing example box with html text
14:49:57 <atsushi> ... something like how to isolate string and language metadata
14:50:03 <atsushi> ... link to fancy illustration
14:50:26 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-html-dir.en.html#insertedtext
14:50:46 <atsushi> r12a: here is some description on that front
14:51:07 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/index.en.html#whattodo
14:52:39 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/
14:53:23 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/inline-bidi-markup/bidi_examples.html
14:56:12 <atsushi> addison: do we have some action for fixing up isolation part?
14:58:23 <atsushi> addison: missing anything else?
14:58:28 <addison> agenda?
14:58:40 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:58:40 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:59:08 <atsushi> [silent]
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