W3C

– DRAFT –
RDF-star WG biweekly administrivia meeting

04 April 2024

Attendees

Present
AndyS, AZ, enrico, fsasaki, gkellogg, ktk, niklasl, pchampin, pfps, Souri, TallTed
Regrets
dsr, erich, greg, olaf, ora
Chair
ktk
Scribe
AndyS, gkellogg

Meeting minutes

<pfps> both minutes look fine

Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: 1 , 2

<ktk> PROPOSAL: Accept last week's and two week's ago minutes https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html and https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html

<gkellogg> +1

<pfps> +1

+1

<TallTed> +1

<pchampin> +1

<enrico> +1

<niklasl> +1

<ktk> +1

RESOLUTION: Accept last week's and two week's ago minutes https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html and https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html

Proposal for next week's discussion 3

ktk: discussion continues from last week
… "can an id reify more than one triple?"
… (link not yet ready)

<TallTed> +1 continue last week's, next week (and perhaps tomorrow as well?)

ktk: will send up an invite like last time

enrico: we can have the SemTF meeting
… tomorrow

<TallTed> ack

Review of open actions, available at 4

w3c/rdf-star-wg#113

<gb> Action 113 Mark specs are being updatable (on gkellogg)

gkellogg: resolution needed for w3c/rdf-star-wg#113
… adds text to allow spec updates as per W3C process

pchampin: resolution needed

gkellogg: it reserves the right to become a maintenance/living spec.

pchampin: means we can do more than editorial fixes
… new features can be added (in a controlled way)

<TallTed> +1 do the things to make the specs fully maintainable (bugfixes, new features, etc.)

gkellogg: this is a necessary step - one less thing to do later
… other steps needed such a list of WG members

niklasl: Q - does this there is mean the specs are still still RDF 1.2?
… can it be RDF 1.3?

gkellogg: we should seek advice from other groups
… minor errata unlikely to be a bump of version

andys: want to be sure the limits of changes that we can make to the spec; presumably, only compatible changes.

pchampin: add new features, no incompatible changes

<AndyS> s/chanage/changes/

<ktk> PROPOSAL: We want to allow class 4 changes in all REC track deliverables

<gkellogg> +1

<TallTed> +1

<ktk> +1

<pfps> +1

<Souri> +1

+1

<pchampin> +1

<niklasl> +0.5 (it sounds dangerous, but I guess the alternative is worse...)

fsasaki: what about class 5 updates? (registries)

<fsasaki> +1

tallted: W3C registries not IETF etc

<gkellogg> https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#correction-classes

<TallTed> https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#correction-classes

<niklasl> "Changes that add new functionality, such as new elements, new APIs, new rules, etc."

ktk: e.g. SPARQL spec

<ktk> w3c/rdf-star-wg#113

<gb> Action 113 Mark specs as being updatable (on gkellogg)

RESOLUTION: We want to allow class 4 changes in all REC track deliverables

tallted: this is a preliminary change.

Review of pull requests, available at 5

ktk: Grammar updates --

gkellogg: these are for Turtle and TriG
… leave open - maybe turn into drafts to take them off the list

Issue Triage, available at 6

ktk: "where are triple terms allowed?"
… (pfps)

w3c/rdf-concepts#80

<gb> Issue 80 where are triple terms allowed (by pfps) [needs discussion] [spec:substantive]

gkellogg: may be confusion with our changes in progress
… we expect reifiers to be subject or object

<pfps> Agreed

gkellogg: and triple terms as objects (behind "agreed syntax")

souri: In NT: we have :e rdf:reifies <<( :s :p :o )>> ?
… object position

<niklasl> +1

gkellogg: yes - object position and maybe restricted to some predicates

<Souri> agreed

gkellogg: can close issue when minutes published

niklasl: canonicalization issue
… will need discussion at some point.

pchampin: probably the chairs should triage the triage.

gkellogg: canonicalization depends a mapping to RDF 1.1 -- if round trippable least impact
… algorithms have a formal grounding

<niklasl> +1

gkellogg: this WG should consider a round-trip mapping

<gb> Issue 115 not found

TallTed: last entry has a title of TH. What is it?

<Zakim> TallTed, you wanted to ask about line 89, issue "#115", "TH" (doesn't exist in rdf-star-wg)

<TallTed> next item

<pchampin> w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter#57

ktk: PR in-progess for the charter extension

<gb> Pull Request 57 Charter extension 2024-03 (by pchampin)

enrico: there is a SemanticsTF meeting tomorrow

pchampin: regrets for that meeting.

Summary of resolutions

  1. Accept last week's and two week's ago minutes https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html and https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
  2. We want to allow class 4 changes in all REC track deliverables
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).

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All speakers: andys, enrico, fsasaki, gkellogg, ktk, niklasl, pchampin, souri, tallted

Active on IRC: AndyS, AZ, enrico, fsasaki, gkellogg, ktk, niklasl, pchampin, pfps, Souri, TallTed