IRC log of rdf-star on 2024-04-04
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-irc
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- meeting: RDF-star WG biweekly administrivia meeting
- 15:15:16 [TallTed]
- previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
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- next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/04/05-rdf-star-minutes.html
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- chair: ?chair?
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- scribe: ?scribe?
- 15:15:17 [TallTed]
- agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240404T120000/
- 15:15:17 [agendabot]
- clear agenda
- 15:15:17 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 15:15:17 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Proposal for next week's discussion -> 3 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240404T120000/TBD
- 15:15:18 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
- 15:15:20 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
- 15:15:23 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Issue Triage, available at -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
- 15:15:25 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
- 15:15:33 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 15:15:34 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 15:23:20 [gkellogg]
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- 15:43:41 [TallTed]
- regrets+ erich, ora, greg, olaf
- 15:43:54 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 15:43:56 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 15:47:02 [gkellogg]
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- 15:49:52 [AndyS]
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- 15:52:34 [ktk]
- Chair: ktk
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- present+
- 15:57:00 [ktk]
- Scribe: AndyS
- 15:57:35 [AndyS]
- present+
- 15:57:49 [AndyS]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:57:49 [Zakim]
- Present: ktk, AndyS
- 15:57:51 [pfps]
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- 15:59:06 [niklasl]
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- 15:59:40 [gkellogg]
- present+
- 15:59:58 [niklasl]
- present+
- 16:00:35 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:00:37 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 16:01:10 [fsasaki]
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- 16:01:14 [pchampin]
- present+
- 16:01:20 [fsasaki]
- present+
- 16:01:39 [TallTed]
- s/?scribe?/ AndyS
- 16:01:41 [pchampin]
- regrets+ dsr
- 16:01:47 [TallTed]
- present+
- 16:01:57 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:01:59 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 16:02:18 [pfps]
- present+
- 16:02:19 [enrico]
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- present+
- 16:02:40 [pfps]
- both minutes look fine
- 16:02:46 [TallTed]
- Zakim, open first item
- 16:02:46 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'open first item', TallTed
- 16:02:51 [TallTed]
- Zakim, open first agendum
- 16:02:51 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'open first agendum', TallTed
- 16:02:57 [TallTed]
- Zakim, start agenda
- 16:02:57 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'start agenda', TallTed
- 16:03:03 [TallTed]
- Zakim, next item
- 16:03:03 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html --
- 16:03:04 [gkellogg]
- zakim, open item 1
- 16:03:07 [Zakim]
- ... taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:03:07 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html --
- 16:03:07 [Zakim]
- ... taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:03:40 [ktk]
- PROPOSAL: Accept last week's and two week's ago minutes https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html and https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 16:03:43 [gkellogg]
- +1
- 16:03:43 [pfps]
- +1
- 16:03:43 [AndyS]
- +1
- 16:03:44 [TallTed]
- +1
- 16:03:45 [pchampin]
- +1
- 16:03:45 [enrico]
- +1
- 16:03:45 [niklasl]
- +1
- 16:03:45 [ktk]
- +1
- 16:04:08 [ktk]
- RESOLUTION: Accept last week's and two week's ago minutes https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html and https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 16:04:19 [TallTed]
- Zakim, next item
- 16:04:19 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- Proposal for next week's discussion -> 3 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240404T120000/TBD -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:05:04 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:05:05 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 16:05:11 [AndyS]
- ktk: discussion continues from last week
- 16:05:25 [AndyS]
- ... "can an id reify more than one triple?"
- 16:05:57 [ktk]
- q?
- 16:06:08 [AndyS]
- ... (link not yet ready)
- 16:06:30 [TallTed]
- +1 continue last week's, next week (and perhaps tomorrow as well?)
- 16:06:42 [AndyS]
- ... will send up an invite like last time
- 16:06:55 [AndyS]
- enrico: we can have the SemTF meeting
- 16:07:03 [AndyS]
- ... tomorrow
- 16:07:10 [gkellogg]
- q+
- 16:07:11 [ktk]
- Zakim, next item
- 16:07:11 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ktk
- 16:07:25 [TallTed]
- q?
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- ack
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- ack gkellogg
- 16:07:34 [TallTed]
- Zakim, next item
- 16:07:34 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:08:03 [TallTed]
- subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113
- 16:08:04 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113 -> Action 113 Mark specs are being updatable (on gkellogg)
- 16:08:09 [AndyS]
- gkellogg: resolution needed for https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113
- 16:08:50 [AndyS]
- ... adds text to allow spec updates as per W3C process
- 16:09:14 [AndyS]
- pchampin: resolution needed
- 16:09:57 [ktk]
- q?
- 16:10:02 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:10:14 [AndyS]
- gkellog: it reserves the right to become a maintenance/living spec.
- 16:10:28 [AndyS]
- s/gkellog:/gkellogg:/
- 16:10:46 [AZ]
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- pchampin: means we can do more than editorial fixes
- 16:10:58 [AZ]
- present+
- 16:11:05 [ktk]
- ack pchampin
- 16:11:12 [AndyS]
- ... new features can be added (in a controlled way)
- 16:11:18 [Souri]
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- present+
- 16:11:25 [TallTed]
- +1 do the things to make the specs fully maintainable (bugfixes, new features, etc.)
- 16:11:34 [niklasl]
- q+
- 16:11:43 [AndyS]
- gkellogg: this is a necessary step - one less thing to do later
- 16:12:07 [AndyS]
- ... other steps needed such a list of WG members
- 16:12:17 [ktk]
- ack niklasl
- 16:12:56 [AndyS]
- niklasl: Q - does this there is mean the specs are still still RDF 1.2?
- 16:13:07 [AndyS]
- ... can it be RDF 1.3?
- 16:13:27 [AndyS]
- gkellogg: we should seek advice from other groups
- 16:13:52 [AndyS]
- ... minor errata unlikely to be a bump of version
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- q+
- 16:14:21 [gkellogg]
- scribe+
- 16:14:45 [gkellogg]
- andys: want to be sure the limits of changes that we can make to the spec; presumably, only compatible changes.
- 16:14:52 [gkellogg]
- scribe-
- 16:15:07 [AndyS]
- pchampin: add new features, no incompatible chanage
- 16:15:10 [ktk]
- ack AndyS
- 16:15:18 [AndyS]
- s/chanage/chane
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- s/chanage/changes/
- 16:17:22 [ktk]
- PROPOSAL: We want to allow class 4 changes in all REC track deliverables
- 16:17:30 [gkellogg]
- +1
- 16:17:30 [TallTed]
- +1
- 16:17:33 [ktk]
- +1
- 16:17:35 [pfps]
- +1
- 16:17:35 [Souri]
- +1
- 16:17:36 [fsasaki]
- q+
- 16:17:37 [AndyS]
- +1
- 16:17:38 [pchampin]
- +1
- 16:17:42 [niklasl]
- +0.5 (it sounds dangerous, but I guess the alternative is worse...)
- 16:18:33 [ktk]
- ack fsasaki
- 16:18:58 [AndyS]
- fsasaki: what about class 5 updates? (registries)
- 16:19:10 [fsasaki]
- +1
- 16:19:23 [AndyS]
- tallted: W3C registries not IETF etc
- 16:19:34 [gkellogg]
- https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#correction-classes
- 16:19:38 [TallTed]
- https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#correction-classes
- 16:19:57 [niklasl]
- "Changes that add new functionality, such as new elements, new APIs, new rules, etc."
- 16:20:45 [AndyS]
- ktk: e.g. SPARQL spec
- 16:21:20 [ktk]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113
- 16:21:20 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113 -> Action 113 Mark specs as being updatable (on gkellogg)
- 16:21:34 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 16:22:09 [ktk]
- RESOLUTION: We want to allow class 4 changes in all REC track deliverables
- 16:22:17 [AndyS]
- tallted: this is a preliminary change.
- 16:22:43 [TallTed]
- Zakim, next item
- 16:22:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:23:03 [ktk]
- q?
- 16:23:36 [AndyS]
- ktk: Grammar updates --
- 16:23:51 [AndyS]
- gkellogg: these are for Turtle and TriG
- 16:23:56 [AndyS]
- q+
- 16:24:20 [ktk]
- ack AndyS
- 16:24:54 [AndyS]
- ... leave open - maybe turn into drafts to take them off the list
- 16:25:02 [ktk]
- q?
- 16:25:08 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 16:25:18 [TallTed]
- Zakim, next item
- 16:25:18 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 -- Issue Triage, available at -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:26:25 [AndyS]
- ktk: "where are triple terms allowed?"
- 16:26:38 [AndyS]
- ... (pfps)
- 16:27:01 [ktk]
- q?
- 16:27:08 [AndyS]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/80
- 16:27:09 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/80 -> Issue 80 where are triple terms allowed (by pfps) [needs discussion] [spec:substantive]
- 16:27:35 [AndyS]
- gkellogg: may be confusion with our changes in progress
- 16:27:56 [AndyS]
- ... we expect reifiers to be subject or object
- 16:28:15 [pfps]
- Agreed
- 16:28:21 [AndyS]
- ... and triple terms as objects (behind "agreed syntax")
- 16:29:03 [Souri]
- q+
- 16:29:12 [ktk]
- ack Souri
- 16:29:51 [AndyS]
- souri: In NT: we have :e rdf:reifies <<( :s :p :o )>> ?
- 16:29:59 [AndyS]
- ... object position
- 16:30:18 [niklasl]
- +1
- 16:30:23 [AndyS]
- gkellogg: yes - object position and maybe restricted to some predicates
- 16:30:24 [Souri]
- agreed
- 16:31:03 [ktk]
- q?
- 16:31:07 [AndyS]
- ... can close issue when minutes published
- 16:31:20 [niklasl]
- q+
- 16:31:45 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:32:04 [AndyS]
- niklasl: canonicalization issue
- 16:32:16 [gkellogg]
- q+
- 16:32:22 [ktk]
- ack niklasl
- 16:32:22 [AndyS]
- ... will need discussion at some point.
- 16:32:29 [ktk]
- ack pchampin
- 16:32:55 [AndyS]
- pchampin: probably the chairs should triage the triage.
- 16:33:41 [AndyS]
- gkellogg: canonicalization depends a mapping to RDF 1.1 -- if round trippable least impact
- 16:34:08 [AndyS]
- ... algorithms have a formal grounding
- 16:34:13 [niklasl]
- +1
- 16:34:29 [AndyS]
- ... this WG should consider a round-trip mapping
- 16:34:33 [ktk]
- q?
- 16:34:36 [ktk]
- ack gkellogg
- 16:34:38 [TallTed]
- q+ to ask about line 89, issue "#115", "TH" (doesn't exist in rdf-star-wg)
- 16:34:39 [gb]
- Issue 115 not found
- 16:35:21 [AndyS]
- TallTed: last entry has a title of TH. What is it?
- 16:37:06 [ktk]
- ack TallTed
- 16:37:06 [Zakim]
- TallTed, you wanted to ask about line 89, issue "#115", "TH" (doesn't exist in rdf-star-wg)
- 16:37:10 [ktk]
- q?
- 16:39:00 [TallTed]
- next item
- 16:39:15 [TallTed]
- Zakim, next item
- 16:39:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 was just opened, TallTed
- 16:39:43 [pchampin]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/pull/57
- 16:39:44 [AndyS]
- ktk: PR in-progess for the charter extension
- 16:39:44 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/pull/57 -> Pull Request 57 Charter extension 2024-03 (by pchampin)
- 16:40:56 [AndyS]
- enrico: there is a SemanticsTF meeting tomorrow
- 16:41:09 [AndyS]
- pchampin: regrets for that meeting.
- 16:41:22 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 16:41:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
- 16:42:21 [TallTed]
- s/agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html --
- 16:42:26 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:42:27 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 16:43:45 [TallTed]
- s/incompatible chane/incompatible changes
- 16:44:15 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:44:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 16:45:06 [pfps]
- pfps has left #rdf-star
- 16:51:23 [TallTed]
- Zakim, end meeting
- 16:51:23 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been ktk, AndyS, gkellogg, niklasl, pchampin, fsasaki, TallTed, pfps, enrico, AZ, Souri
- 16:51:25 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 16:51:26 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
- 16:51:31 [Zakim]
- I am happy to have been of service, TallTed; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
- 16:51:32 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #rdf-star
- 16:51:36 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:51:36 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items