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15:11:47 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:11:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
15:11:51 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:15:16 <TallTed> meeting: RDF-star WG biweekly administrivia meeting
15:15:16 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:15:16 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2024/04/05-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:15:16 <TallTed> chair: ?chair?
15:15:16 <TallTed> scribe: ?scribe?
15:15:17 <TallTed> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240404T120000/
15:15:17 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:15:17 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:15:17 <agendabot> agenda+ Proposal for next week's discussion -> 3 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240404T120000/TBD
15:15:18 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:15:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:15:23 <agendabot> agenda+ Issue Triage, available at -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
15:15:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:15:33 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:15:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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15:43:41 <TallTed> regrets+ erich, ora, greg, olaf
15:43:54 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:43:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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15:52:34 <ktk> Chair: ktk
15:53:02 <ktk> present+
15:57:00 <ktk> Scribe: AndyS
15:57:35 <AndyS> present+
15:57:49 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:57:49 <Zakim> Present: ktk, AndyS
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15:59:40 <gkellogg> present+
15:59:58 <niklasl> present+
16:00:35 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:00:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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16:01:14 <pchampin> present+
16:01:20 <fsasaki> present+
16:01:39 <TallTed> s/?scribe?/ AndyS
16:01:41 <pchampin> regrets+ dsr
16:01:47 <TallTed> present+
16:01:57 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:02:18 <pfps> present+
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16:02:27 <enrico> present+
16:02:40 <pfps> both minutes look fine
16:02:46 <TallTed> Zakim, open first item
16:02:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open first item', TallTed
16:02:51 <TallTed> Zakim, open first agendum
16:02:51 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open first agendum', TallTed
16:02:57 <TallTed> Zakim, start agenda
16:02:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'start agenda', TallTed
16:03:03 <TallTed> Zakim, next item
16:03:03 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:03:04 <gkellogg> zakim, open item 1
16:03:07 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
16:03:07 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:03:07 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
16:03:40 <ktk> PROPOSAL: Accept last week's and two week's ago minutes https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html and https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:03:43 <gkellogg> +1
16:03:43 <pfps> +1
16:03:43 <AndyS> <AndyS> +1
16:03:44 <TallTed> +1
16:03:45 <pchampin> +1
16:03:45 <enrico> +1
16:03:45 <niklasl> +1
16:03:45 <ktk> +1
16:04:08 <ktk> RESOLUTION: Accept last week's and two week's ago minutes https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html and https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:04:19 <TallTed> Zakim, next item
16:04:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Proposal for next week's discussion -> 3 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0a6aa6e3-635c-42c2-baba-938c76b6ef01/20240404T120000/TBD -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:05:04 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:05:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:05:11 <AndyS> ktk: discussion continues from last week
16:05:25 <AndyS> ... "can an id reify more than one triple?"
16:05:57 <ktk> q?
16:06:08 <AndyS> ... (link not yet ready)
16:06:30 <TallTed> +1 continue last week's, next week (and perhaps tomorrow as well?)
16:06:42 <AndyS> ... will send up an invite like last time
16:06:55 <AndyS> enrico: we can have the SemTF meeting
16:07:03 <AndyS> ... tomorrow
16:07:10 <gkellogg> q+
16:07:11 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:07:11 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ktk
16:07:25 <TallTed> q?
16:07:27 <TallTed> ack
16:07:31 <TallTed> ack gkellogg
16:07:34 <TallTed> Zakim, next item
16:07:34 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:08:03 <TallTed> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113
16:08:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113 -> Action 113 Mark specs are being updatable (on gkellogg)
16:08:09 <AndyS> gkellogg: resolution needed for https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113
16:08:50 <AndyS> ... adds text to allow spec updates as per W3C process
16:09:14 <AndyS> pchampin: resolution needed
16:09:57 <ktk> q?
16:10:02 <pchampin> q+
16:10:14 <AndyS> gkellog: it reserves the right to become a maintenance/living spec.
16:10:28 <AndyS> s/gkellog:/gkellogg:/
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16:10:49 <AndyS> pchampin: means we can do more than editorial fixes
16:10:58 <AZ> present+
16:11:05 <ktk> ack pchampin
16:11:12 <AndyS> ... new features can be added (in a controlled way)
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16:11:24 <Souri> present+
16:11:25 <TallTed> +1 do the things to make the specs fully maintainable (bugfixes, new features, etc.)
16:11:34 <niklasl> q+
16:11:43 <AndyS> gkellogg: this is a necessary step - one less thing to do later
16:12:07 <AndyS> ... other steps needed such a list of WG members
16:12:17 <ktk> ack niklasl
16:12:56 <AndyS> niklasl: Q - does this mean the specs are still RDF 1.2?
16:13:07 <AndyS> ... can it be RDF 1.3?
16:13:27 <AndyS> gkellogg: we should seek advice from other groups
16:13:52 <AndyS> ... minor errata unlikely to be a bump of version
16:13:54 <AndyS> q+
16:14:21 <gkellogg> scribe+
16:14:45 <gkellogg> andys: want to be sure the limits of changes that we can make to the spec; presumably, only compatible changes.
16:14:52 <gkellogg> scribe-
16:15:07 <AndyS> pchampin: add new features, no incompatible chanage
16:15:10 <ktk> ack AndyS
16:15:18 <AndyS> s/chanage/chane
16:15:31 <AndyS> s/chanage/changes/
16:17:22 <ktk> PROPOSAL: We want to allow class 4 changes in all REC track deliverables
16:17:30 <gkellogg> +1
16:17:30 <TallTed> +1
16:17:33 <ktk> +1
16:17:35 <pfps> +1
16:17:35 <Souri> +1
16:17:36 <fsasaki> q+
16:17:37 <AndyS> <AndyS> +1
16:17:38 <pchampin> +1
16:17:42 <niklasl> +0.5 (it sounds dangerous, but I guess the alternative is worse...)
16:18:33 <ktk> ack fsasaki
16:18:58 <AndyS> fsasaki: what about class 5 updates? (registries)
16:19:10 <fsasaki> +1
16:19:23 <AndyS> tallted: W3C registries not IETF etc
16:19:34 <gkellogg> https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#correction-classes
16:19:38 <TallTed> https://www.w3.org/2023/Process-20231103/#correction-classes
16:19:57 <niklasl> "Changes that add new functionality, such as new elements, new APIs, new rules, etc."
16:20:45 <AndyS> ktk: e.g. SPARQL spec
16:21:20 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113
16:21:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/113 -> Action 113 Mark specs as being updatable (on gkellogg)
16:21:34 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:21:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:22:09 <ktk> RESOLUTION: We want to allow class 4 changes in all REC track deliverables
16:22:17 <AndyS> tallted: this is a preliminary change.
16:22:43 <TallTed> Zakim, next item
16:22:43 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:23:03 <ktk> q?
16:23:36 <AndyS> ktk: Grammar updates --
16:23:51 <AndyS> gkellogg: these are for Turtle and TriG
16:23:56 <AndyS> q+
16:24:20 <ktk> ack AndyS
16:24:54 <AndyS> ... leave open - maybe turn into drafts to take them off the list
16:25:02 <ktk> q?
16:25:08 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:25:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:25:18 <TallTed> Zakim, next item
16:25:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Issue Triage, available at -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:26:25 <AndyS> ktk: "where are triple terms allowed?"
16:26:38 <AndyS> ... (pfps)
16:27:01 <ktk> q?
16:27:08 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/80
16:27:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/80 -> Issue 80 where are triple terms allowed (by pfps) [needs discussion] [spec:substantive]
16:27:35 <AndyS> gkellogg: may be confusion with our changes in progress
16:27:56 <AndyS> ... we expect reifiers to be subject or object
16:28:15 <pfps> Agreed
16:28:21 <AndyS> ... and triple terms as objects (behind "agreed syntax")
16:29:03 <Souri> q+
16:29:12 <ktk> ack Souri
16:29:51 <AndyS> souri: In NT: we have :e rdf:reifies  <<( :s :p :o )>> ?
16:29:59 <AndyS> ... object position
16:30:18 <niklasl> +1
16:30:23 <AndyS> gkellogg: yes - object position and maybe restricted to some predicates
16:30:24 <Souri> agreed
16:31:03 <ktk> q?
16:31:07 <AndyS> ... can close issue when minutes published
16:31:20 <niklasl> q+
16:31:45 <pchampin> q+
16:32:04 <AndyS> niklasl: canonicalization issue
16:32:16 <gkellogg> q+
16:32:22 <ktk> ack niklasl
16:32:22 <AndyS> ... will need discussion at some point.
16:32:29 <ktk> ack pchampin
16:32:55 <AndyS> pchampin: probably the chairs should triage the triage.
16:33:41 <AndyS> gkellogg: canonicalization depends a mapping to RDF 1.1 -- if round trippable least impact
16:34:08 <AndyS> ... algorithms have a formal grounding
16:34:13 <niklasl> +1
16:34:29 <AndyS> ... this WG should consider a round-trip mapping
16:34:33 <ktk> q?
16:34:36 <ktk> ack gkellogg
16:34:38 <TallTed> q+ to ask about line 89, issue "#115", "TH" (doesn't exist in rdf-star-wg)
16:34:39 <gb> Issue 115 not found
16:35:21 <AndyS> TallTed: last entry has a title of TH. What is it?
16:37:06 <ktk> ack TallTed
16:37:06 <Zakim> TallTed, you wanted to ask about line 89, issue "#115", "TH" (doesn't exist in rdf-star-wg)
16:37:10 <ktk> q?
16:39:00 <TallTed> next item
16:39:15 <TallTed> Zakim, next item
16:39:15 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, TallTed
16:39:43 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/pull/57
16:39:44 <AndyS> ktk: PR in-progess for the charter extension
16:39:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg-charter/pull/57 -> Pull Request 57 Charter extension 2024-03 (by pchampin)
16:40:56 <AndyS> enrico: there is a SemanticsTF meeting tomorrow
16:41:09 <AndyS> pchampin: regrets for that meeting.
16:41:22 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:41:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
16:42:21 <TallTed> s/agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/21-rdf-star-minutes.html , -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2024/03/28-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:42:26 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:42:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:43:45 <TallTed> s/incompatible chane/incompatible changes
16:44:15 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:44:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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16:51:23 <TallTed> Zakim, end meeting
16:51:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ktk, AndyS, gkellogg, niklasl, pchampin, fsasaki, TallTed, pfps, enrico, AZ, Souri
16:51:25 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:51:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2024/04/04-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
16:51:31 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, TallTed; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:51:36 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
16:51:36 <RRSAgent> I see no action items