W3C

– DRAFT –
WoT-WG/IG

07 February 2024

Attendees

Present
Daniel_Peintner, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizshima
Regrets
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Chair
Koster, McCool, Sebastian
Scribe
Ege, kaz, McCool_

Meeting minutes

Agenda

Sebastian: (shows the agenda)

Minutes Review

<kaz> Jan-31

Sebastian: We reviewed in chairs call, there were no issues

Sebastian: approved

Quick Updates

Wiki updates

McCool: I have archived the main page wiki

W3C in Europe

<kaz> Agenda

Sebastian: I was invited to W3C in Europe
… there is the agenda available. It was yesterday
… I had a presentation about WoT
… it was high level

Breakout Sessions

Sebastian: Kaz can you give an update

Kaz: as you know, W3C organizes in TPAC. We identified that breakouts are very popular. It would be useful to have them during or before the upcoming AC review
… they will be online only

Sebastian: should we organize, as WoT WG, a breakout session?

Ege: they are open to all the Members right?

Kaz: yes

Ege: in that case, it would be good to host big topics, like digital twins and get input from others outside of w3c. Or find synergies with other groups, e.g. solid

<kaz> kaz: yeah, please think about any topics including WoT use cases, possible applications, group collaborations, etc.

Sebastian: how should we organize?
… we can submit until end of february
… we can get inputs from the wg for another week and then organize

McCool: we can collect them in an issue

<kaz> announcement on the Chairs list (Member-only)

Sebastian: (adds a link to the issue)

<kaz> Issue 1178 - Collecting ideas for the W3C Breakout Day 2024

Meetups

WoT CG

Ege: Feb 15 on Microscopes
… three more planned

WoT JP CG

Mizushima: we held a smart city event

Kaz: I gave a presentation, similar content to the Nordic CG meeting

Other Events

Sebastian: Ege and Cristiano will talk about node-wot in a developer conference
… Ege will talk in an HiveMQ event

Lagally: is it online or physical?

Ege: online

Cancellations

<kaz> Cancellations

Sebastian: Chinese new year and holidays in germany. I am not available. Some calls are cancelled

Sebastian: anything but td and marketing are cancelled

Schedule

<kaz> schedule.md

Lagally: is this for all deliverables? Profile has different dates afaik

Sebastian: we should discuss profile separately

Kaz: We need to ask all the TF leads to think about the updated schedule. Regarding the Profile and Architecture, McCool has sent out a call-for-resolution for TF leads message, and we should wrap up that discussion first.

https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1965

Versioning

Ege: I have prepared a PR and we will discuss this in the tomorrow's td call

McCool: discovery will follow TD but we had similar issues as TM Ontology

<kaz> kaz: we need to have some more discussion tomorrow, and then will bring the status back to the main call in two weeks.

First actionable roadmap for TD

<kaz> PR 1176 - First actionable roadmap

Ege: it is a PR that puts the non UC items into an order

Lagally: we have requirements about geolocation. When can we incorporate them into the TD spec?

McCool: we also have a use case about dynamic TDs or not

Lagally: But where is it in the roadmap

Kaz: this is a task force report, We should have discussed this as part of the TD TF report. For today, it's just that we can discuss proposals on use case handling, etc., when we get input from TD TF based on this work.

McCool: this affects discovery as well, it can be used as a test for the use case process

<Ege> +1 on McCool

TF Reports

Scripting API

Daniel: we will not have a scripting call next week. One topic was relationship to TD TF.
… other was about data schema. JR found that some affordances do not have the type term so it breaks the algorithm

Sebastian: there is also a semantic api discussion but I will provide a use case

Security/Discovery

<kaz> (suspended)

Marketing

https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/476

Ege: mastodon is working very well
… also we have a repository template proposal

Use Cases

Mizushima: we talked about the template but there are issues
… we need to discuss those issues

Mizushima: we will talk about them in two weeks

https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/registry-analysis/Readme.md

Ege: in td, we discussed the overall process of use cases etc.
… also finished the registry analysis, learned a lot as TF
… and labeled 200 out of 250 issues whether there is a use case potential

Profile

<kaz> Call for Task Leads

McCool: Ben has expressed but cannot dedicate enough time while we have another volunteer, Luca.

<McCool_> proposal: Restart the Profiles TF with Luca Barbato as TF Lead.

<McCool_> proposal: Restart the Profiles TF immediately with Luca Barbato as TF Lead.

<sebastian> +1

<mlagally> +1

<McCool_> proposal: Restart the Profiles TF immediately with Luca Barbato as TF Lead.

RESOLUTION: Restart the Profiles TF immediately with Luca Barbato as TF Lead.

ACTION: kaz to work with Luca to create a doodle poll

IG Charter Discussion

Koster: small number of things to clean up
… Ege is not here, may want to discuss relationships.md and how it relates

PR #145

wot-charter-drafts PR 145 - Fixes to charter draft

McCool: is the Marketing TF part of the IG or the WG?
… wording change makes it a little unclear

Koster: similar issue for Use Case TF

McCool: suggest we define this somewhere, maybe at the start of the scope section?

Kaz: suggest "through the Marketing Task Force" is too much detail for the summary box anyway

McCool: agree, that is simpler

Koster: ok, will implement that change
… (updates PR as suggested)

<kaz> HTML Preview

Koster: looks like "Marketing Task Force" is mentioned later, "as mentioned in scope"

Koster: so we do need a sentence to define them

Koster: (merges PR)

Koster: let's add that sentence now...

McCool: I propose the sentence "The work on the use cases and marketing is done in the Use Cases Task Force and Marketing Task Force, respectively."

McCool: I propose the sentence "The work on the use cases and management of public appearance will be performed in the Use Cases Task Force and Marketing Task Force, respectively."

Koster: make PR - will merge immediately, highlight for discussion

... wot-charter-drafts PR 146 - Define task forces

PR (merged)

<kaz> wot-charter-drafts PR 144 - fix: minor typos

Koster: this PR just fixes typos

Koster: seems to be a conflict - older version is the correct one (lower case in middle of sentence)

Koster: resolved

Koster: other change is obvious typo, suggest merging
… (merged)

Other PRs

Koster: agenda had PRs 91 and 92 but they don't seem to be related to the IG charter

Other IG Charter Issue

<kaz> Charter Issues

Koster: three issues left labeled with "IG 2023 Charter"

Issue 128

<kaz> wot-charter-drafts Issue 128 - IG Charter 2023: Update Charter History

Koster: Issue #128, update charter history, still needs to be done

Issue 121 and 122

<kaz> on the other hand, #121 and #122

<kaz> wot-charter-drafts 121 - IG Charter 2023: Update background

<kaz> wot-charter-drafts Issue 122 - IG Charter 2023: Update scope

Koster: but #122 and #121 relate to scope and background; these are now complete
… will close, if someone wants further changes they can reopen the issue
… (closes issues #121 and #122)

Koster: kaz, were you going to update the charter history?

Kaz: yes, once the draft is ready I can update that section

Other Issues

Koster: figure still needs to be updated
… and not just a broken link, the figures needs to be updated

McCool: I think we agreed to make the bottom box say "Other W3C Groups and WoT CGs"
… the plural in CGs is important

McCool: suggest we create an issue for this and agree to execute that change for the draft
… also suggest we distribute an email calling for a resolution to submit to AC in two weeks.
… since we have no main call next week

Koster: ok, I will do an email, work on that issue

McCool: and I assume kaz will do the charter history

Kaz: we *could* do a resolution by email...

McCool: to be fair, do need a final draft and need to give people at least a week to look at it

Koster: ok, if we can finish the draft today, that will be Feb 14.

Policy Discussion

Koster: let's look at issues and policy

PR 1128

<kaz> PR 1128 - [Policy] Move chair-decision-process.md from "proposals" to "policies"

McCool: regarding the change to Pr #1128, think we should ask via email if there are any objections to merging, give people a week to comment, same as the IG charter

Issue 1171

<kaz> Issue 1171 - [Policy Proposal] Invite Expert Selection Procedure

Koster: let's look at some of the other issues - #1171

McCool: so a few issues here; need to actually be an expert, but also needs to be clear what they are contributing

<kaz> W3C Invited Expert Policy

McCool: start with the W3C basic policy, refine
… need to also consider we get unsolicited (self-)nominations

Kaz: personally think the W3C policy itself is clear enough, but some people misunderstand it and send an application from their side without invitation. So we can think about additional procedure about the review for the IE applications.

McCool: I think the "invitation" policy is clear, but we probably need a "nomination" policy

Koster: also many public entry points that they can contribute, e.g. in the CG
… use cases, tutorials, etc.
… in other cases, maybe they are already contributing e.g. by building implementations

McCool: unfortunately building an implementation is not enough to motivate contribution to the specs

Koster: need in-kind evidence of contribution

<kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of action items

  1. kaz to work with Luca to create a doodle poll

Summary of resolutions

  1. Restart the Profiles TF immediately with Luca Barbato as TF Lead.
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