W3C

– DRAFT –
WoT-WG/IG

10 January 2024

Attendees

Present
Cristiano_Aguzzi, David_Ezell, Ege_Korkan, Kaz_Ashimura, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Mahda_Noura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
Regrets
-
Chair
Sebastian
Scribe
kaz, McCool

Meeting minutes

minutes

<kaz> Dec-20

Sebastian: minutes of Dec 20, 2023 - chairs have reviewed, fixed a few typos.
… anyone else have any issues or objections?
… if none, propose approving the minutes
… (no objections heard)
… minutes approved

Sebastian: (reviewed minutes policy)

Notices

Sebastian: IIWoT 2024 has been held Jan 6.
… had several presentations - anyone attend and able to summarize?
… Cristiano is not here today unfortunately

McCool: let's defer to next week

Sebastian: sure

Updates

Sebastian: agenda from last year have been archived

McCool: think we should do some more cleanup, e.g. move liaisons to another page
… will also do actions

Sebastian: agree

Kaz: agree
… but should revisit as part of WG planning

Sebastian: next, notice about RDF canonicalization
… also a topic we will follow

Kaz: is just a call for implementation request a few month ago...

McCool: although I'm not sure it's the right answer for TD... we need to analyse

Kaz: so we should move it to liaisons (and then move to another file so that we can continue the discussion appropriately)

Sebastian: agree, will do that now
… (moves to liaisons under W3C)

Schedule

Meeting schedule

Sebastian: several TF calls start Jan 15
… and TD/binding new schedule starts today and tomorrow

<kaz> Holidays

Sebastian: also we updated the holidays, in particular the week of Feb 12

McCool: propose we cancel meetings that week, many holidays

Sebastian: concur

Sebastian: also proposal to have an extended session to discuss IG charter next week, Jan 17
… any objections to that?
… (hearing none)

General schedule

<kaz> schedule.md

McCool: also there is a PR to update the schedule, to archive old events

w3c/wot#1162

Lagally: should we materialize some other milestones e.g. for profile planning? There are already planned dates in Q1/Q2 in the new charter.

McCool: suggest in a separate PR

Kaz: agree. note we need a new TF moderator for the Profile work.

Rescheduled Meetings

TD/Binding

Sebastian: already mentioned the new TD slots, review
… note there are new W3C calendar entries
… Wed is primarily TD, Thurs is primarily Binding

Ege: have to make sure we don't "starve" topics, so we will always start with the primary topic

Sebastian: are there also new zoom links?

Ege: Wed uses the old link, Thurs is new

Use Cases

Sebastian: next issue is Use Cases

<sebastian> Doodle for the Use Cases call

Sebastian: there were five options, but it looks like Wed at 7am Eastern, e.g. one hour before the main call
… but that means a long day on Wed

McCool: maybe we start it in two weeks?

Kaz: yes, unfortunate, but we are cutting down the TD call
… I am ok with it
… and charter is not a regular call

Sebastian: ok, let's keep this plan, and have a use case call next week

McCool: we need a TF lead before we can schedule the call...

Sebastian: true, let's deal with that
… we had two candidates: Mizushima and Mahda
… spoke with Mahda yesterday, and maybe better if she takes over another one instead

Mahda: yes, I'm ok with that

Sebastian: mizushima-san, do you agree with being TF lead for use cases?

Sebastian: everyone else ok?

<Ege> +1

<cris_> +1

<luca_barbato> +1

<dezell> +1

<mlagally> +1

<mahda-noura> +1

<kaz> +1

McCool: should have a resolution

<sebastian> proposal: Tomoaki Mizushima will be the new Use Cases TF lead

+1

RESOLUTION: Tomoaki Mizushima will be the new Use Cases TF lead

<sebastian> +1

Sebastian: and to confirm, next UC call will be Jan 17

ACTION: Kaz to allocate a new zoom call for the use cases meeting

Kaz: I will create the zoom link

ACTION: Kaz to help Mizushima send out a calendar entry to the group

<Ege> +1

McCool: propose that after Jan 15 we suspend Security and Discovery for a while, and focus on UC&R, then restart once requirements done

McCool: also, I would like to propose that UC&R focuses on functional requirements, and technical are in each deliverable

Kaz: we need to clearly define functional vs technical requirements, so let's have more discussion during the use cases call.

Lagally: proposal makes sense... but needs some analysis of where requirement is to be satisfied
… use case submitter needs to be available for discussion, may not be WG member

<Mizushima> +1 for kaz

McCool: would like to propose we have a mechanism to "communicate" a technical requirement from IG to WG

Lagally: what if a requirement is split between deliverables? etc.

McCool: let's talk about it in the UC call, part of process, may need a policy, etc.

Kaz: agree with you both, let's discuss more in UC call

Planning

Policies

Sebastian: still several in the pipeline, so will have to schedule another policy session
… maybe in two weeks

Sebastian: (updates agenda to propose Jan 24 for a policy call)

Project Management

<Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/blob/main/proposals/project-management/project-management.md

Sebastian: TD/Binding - proposal

Ege: see link above
… this also captures some discussion of our current process
… also relates to meeting agendas, prioritization, task decomposition
… also need alignment with UC&R process
… proposal keeps some tables to keep track of items, who has been assigned to it, status (assigned, in progress, done, etc).

Ege: don't want anything too complicated, and don't want to change what we are doing too much

Kaz: TD is making steady progress, but from my viewpoint is still ongoing
… we need to clarify the procedure, in particular how UC & TF work combines
… it's also not just about github issues, but about features, requirements, testing, and so on

McCool: think we need a higher-level view, look at other major planning issues, e.g. testing, requirements capture, etc.
… but this is a good proposal for "agile" github issue resolution
… but we also need a long-term view, see if we are making progress on planned features, etc.

Sebastian: would also be good to look at use-case driven categories

McCool: agree, but it would be good to also catch up with TD requirements discussion as well in UC call

Sebastian: given time we have to move on

F2F meeting in 2024

Sebastian: no new news, but probably next week

TF Reorg

McCool: suggest we put off restarting other TF until Feb, and also we definitely need new TF leads
… I can't lead four, but can do one - which one?

Kaz: also suggest moving TF lead/editor policy to policies section

Sebastian: sure, I can do that (did that)

Social Media

Ege: wants access to posts? Chairs make sense...

McCool: staff at least should have access for succession

Ege: well Marcom team has access...

McCool: ok

Resources

Ege: Jan has made a PR for discovery HTML rendering. TM as well is in progress.

Sebastian: time's up, adjourn. Thanks all!

<kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of action items

  1. Kaz to allocate a new zoom call for the use cases meeting
  2. Kaz to help Mizushima send out a calendar entry to the group

Summary of resolutions

  1. Tomoaki Mizushima will be the new Use Cases TF lead
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).