W3C

– DRAFT –
A11yEdge Teleconference

18 Dec 2023

Attendees

Present
janina, jasontaylor, Lionel_Wolberger
Regrets
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Chair
Janina
Scribe
janina, Lionel_Wolberger

Meeting minutes

<jasontaylor> hello

<jasontaylor> present

Welcome & Introductions (As needed)

We introduce ourselves to Jason -- Reget more of us aren't in channel!

<Lionel_Wolberger> The Overlay Capabilities draft report, https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/

Jason introduces himself

Logistic Planning: Next Meeting January 8

Short break for the winter hollidays (northern hemisphere!)

Capibilities Reflow Redesign: Continuing Discussion

Lionel_Wolberger: Heard difference componants different from html/css remediation

Lionel_Wolberger: Also heard "overlays" being used polemically, and it's been confusing the wider debate

Lionel_Wolberger: Notes view of using a11y service as another expert service similar to using someone's shopping cart and payment service, etc

Lionel_Wolberger: Notes the Capabilities doc should be a kind of "ingredients list"

jasontaylor: Sees 10-20K websites as being most important to people; all could be a11y if dev teams could fix only a11y issues

jasontaylor: What the "overlay providers" do is a dev process, can be done by anyone; i.e. a specialty department of a health care provider/insurer

jasontaylor: Companies that won't that to be the future are suggesting this is not the direction a11y should go

jasontaylor: Instead, they're selling different product

jasontaylor: The traditional approach insists on yoking everyone at the company

jasontaylor: Ability to inject isn't new; it's 20-years old

jasontaylor: Many early deployments called "overlay" were just poor technology implementation

jasontaylor: The dev process allows expertise to come to bear on the overall product, and that's efficient and cost effective

jasontaylor: Most seem to want to take people out of the process and use as much AI as possible; not our model!

jasConversation should be should authors have tech at their disposal to best meet user needs

jason; "another client version" is what people seem to object to

jason: Am reading Capibilities

[lionel shows reorg via Figjam]

jason: Most devs can do a11y once trained; but most don't want to stay in that field day in and day out. Likely not.

jason: Lawsuits currently drive a11y work

jason: If AI can do 95% of what's needed, but the 5% it doesn't do is critical for some

jason: Believe this approach can empower a centralized organization a11y; so decentralization may not be helpful terminology

jasontaylor: This model does not have to be provided by an external vendor
… it can be done by an internal team
… it is not necessarily an architecture of center vs edge
… it is the taking of a small team of experts who can have cross-organizational influence
… empower a centralized expert team to take control of the accessibility across an entire company
… the rest of the community has thrown shade on this technology
… but the technology is very powerful

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