Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

06 November 2023


abbey, DavidSwallow, Eric_hind, Jennie, julierawe, kirkwood, lisa, Rachael, Rain, rashmi, tburtin
EA, Jennie, Jenny, Justien

Meeting minutes

<lisa> Agenda

<lisa> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Scribe_list

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Lisa: General Research (Becca), Lisa has updated general research

Abbey: Has quickly reviewed research and will present more next week

Eric: Will present remaining github issues next week

Lisa: Abbey to present the research update

Lisa: These two preceding will be reviewed next week

Tiffany: For my asignment there are a significant number of issues. EA has provided email to Lisa to coordinate.

Rashmi: Mental health table updates continuing; tasks within include suggestion, trigger draft, social media, draft for safety

Rashmi: Directly working on first two issue papers

Rashmi: David also working on the first two issue papers

Rain: Structure; working on prototype, then onto qualitative testing. Images needs an update with John K

Lisa: WCAG 3; how to do and get feedback?

Julie: Setting up a tracker for WCAG 3 but needs to connect with Rachael.

Lisa: Internationalization, progressing well. Julie, Addison, Alasdair but not Richard trying to coordinate a meet. Rachael feels that getting more internationalization people would be good.

Julie: Goal of this meeting is to get buy in on the 5 language plan.

<Rachael> Based on all that. I agree with Lisa that you could use the first meeting to discuss best way to communicate and discuss Addison's comments.

Lisa: Other group requests need a discussion about collaborative tools; there is a document around comments processes. An open tag system to alert screen readers has been trialed; we are waiting for APA feedback around whether or not the comment issues were copied to github issues

Lisa: At this point, we aren't sure if these comments are flowing through. Asking if David can liaison between groups

David: Yes, am willing to check on this process in the APA group and will report back if there are issues or if communications haven't really been working.

Lisa: Asking David to check back with this group in two weeks to make sure this technique is working.

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Lisa: When is the right time to inject comments from COGA into the subgroups?

<julierawe> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-37B4PNCmrmcyUYWgCxqXUH4rmzI5P3TGB-9EG7ojuw/edit#gid=0

Julie: We know of multiple venues to work with other groups, it's feeling diffuse. Julie has a proposal (google doc) to know what's coming up, as it is difficult to know whats urgent and whats coming up.

<lisa> this is a better link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oy5Guap5wnMFhp4OPhgGn1ihuHYmksstPqMHMrc_Krg/edit#gid=0

Rachael: Best way to engage is to join the subgroup; it is difficult to avoid last minute adjustments. Often as little as 6 days before. It isn't likely that the subgroups will change their process in the short term.

Rachael: Exploratory drafts for review will be made available; and there is a chance to review even before that to review and comment

Lisa: We have done some scratchpad level review for each group already.

<lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit

<lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.49xg1j6yjxur

Lisa: The provided doc has links to other useful/usable subgroup information like meeting times, agendas, etc. They seem to be about 2.5 weeks planning ahead

Rachael: We can discuss adding additional states in the document.

Julie: Knowing whats ahead could be helpful to encourage joining the subgroups.

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<julierawe> +1 to Eric's comment, thanks!

Lisa: Review of Guidance for lit review (COGA 2 literature review and update). Added columns for New Ideas (classification of the kind of idea; new, backs up, etc) and column for subtopics that contain discovered themes or patterns that reoccur.

<kirkwood> could you put literature review link in for minutes

<lisa> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit#gid=1686096268

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Lisa: Agenda 3 and 4 update, Agenda 3 was the Rain's research plan. Agenda 4 relates to the research plan draft outline.. which includes search and research, reading articles thoroughly, analysis, search terms.

<Rain> +1 thank you for adding that

RESOLUTION: is the reserch plan V1 ready

<lisa> +1


<Jennie> +1

<rashmi> +1

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Lisa: Research plan v1 is OK, no objections.

Lisa; Proposal 3 for mental health

Rashmi: Proposal 3 Add sentence or paragraph for Keep the tone of content simple, positive, be respectful and do not talk down.

<rashmi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit

<rashmi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzg17JS59Gy5fEdxpSLOFKLOPgJSrxVvBG112zUWlas/edit#heading=h.5binl16n34mt

Rashmi: Proposal to add as Use a Simple tense and voice pattern

<lisa> Proposal to add as Use a Simple tense and voice pattern

<lisa> +1


<lisa> (eric has no opinion

<lisa> john -1

John: This is a proposal to merge tense and respect; they feel like different concepts.

<lisa> changing to a 0

<tburtin> +1 John's opinion

<Rain> +1 agree as well

Lisa: No other strong opinions, will not enact the proposal to merge. These are separate isues

<rashmi> +1 to John's point

<lisa> rain is agreeing with John

<lisa> as does rashmi

<lisa> relution, new pattern

Lisa: Agreed that this will be a new pattern

<lisa> resolution, new pattern

<lisa> no objections

Rashmi: Next proposal #4. Add sentence or paragraph for "Choices of color can be an issue" Alternatively we can make this a pattern. This has strong localization implications

<kirkwood> red is very warm, if not hot. So not sure if this is correct. Think its too complicated and over simplified

Lisa: This one is complicated as there are implications to direct users to select particular colors.

Rain: Applying a tangible concept to color choices; such as evaluate the impact of contrasting/saturation colors?

<Jennie> Apologies - have to drop. Have a good week!

John: Even different industries tend towards color that grab attention; via color relationships.

Lisa: Believe that part of Johns thoughts are that colors can be a distraction, rather than a help

<julierawe> I have to drop, thanks everyone

Rashmi: Row 16 research emphasized warm / vivid colors

Rashmi: Sometimes colors have negative associations; emotional connection for different individuals

Tiffany: If we want to prevent harm, the extremes (of color contrast) can create positive states and negative states (like color extremes for individuals with astigmatisms)

Lisa: Summary, colors are an issue. Maybe we need to lookup or research more on colors, there's more that we want to do.

Summary of resolutions

  1. is the reserch plan V1 ready
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).


Maybe present: David, Eric, John, Julie, Tiffany

All speakers: Abbey, David, Eric, John, Julie, Lisa, Rachael, Rain, Rashmi, Tiffany

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