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14:20:57 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:23:20 <Lisa> agenda+ new colums in the @how we store reaserch . See https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit?usp=sharing
14:24:13 <Lisa> agenda+ guidence for lit review . see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit
14:24:47 <Lisa> agenda+ When to look at ag subgroup work. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit
14:24:59 <Lisa> agenda?
14:25:08 <Lisa> clear agenda
14:25:41 <Lisa> agenda+ updates and actions https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.ka7r1m4q5vkc
14:25:49 <Lisa> agenda+ When to look at ag subgroup work. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit
14:26:06 <Lisa> agenda+ Guidance for lit review . see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wu0WYcvCpp-zIz2NzPk2AuTJOrzgh3T4sKQgzCa10ps/edit
14:26:51 <Lisa> agenda+ new columns in how we store research database. See See https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit?usp=sharing
14:29:10 <Lisa> agenda+ Mental health proposals. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit#heading=h.olk9sk690qn4
14:31:05 <Lisa> regrets+ Jennie
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15:46:11 <lisa> regrets+ EA, Jenny , Justien
15:46:14 <lisa> Q?
15:46:20 <lisa> Agenda
15:46:25 <lisa> Agenda?
15:53:44 <lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
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16:04:35 <Eric_hind> Lisa: General Research (Becca), Lisa has updated general research
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16:04:35 <Eric_hind> Abbey: Has quickly reviewed research and will present more next week
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16:05:05 <Eric_hind> Eric: Will present remaining github issues next week
16:05:09 <Rain> present+
16:05:32 <Eric_hind> Lisa:  Abbey to present the research update
16:05:51 <Eric_hind> Lisa: These two preceding will be reviewed next week
16:07:14 <Eric_hind> Tiffany: For my asignment there are a significant number of issues.  EA has provided email to Lisa to coordinate.
16:08:47 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Mental health table updates continuing; tasks within include suggestion, trigger draft, social media, draft for safety
16:09:41 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Directly working on first two issue papers
16:09:51 <Rachael> present+
16:09:56 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: David also working on the first two issue papers
16:10:42 <Eric_hind> Rain: Structure; working on prototype, then onto qualitative testing. Images needs an update with John K
16:11:31 <Eric_hind> Lisa: WCAG 3; how to do and get feedback?
16:11:34 <kirkwood> present+
16:11:55 <Eric_hind> Julie: Setting up a tracker for WCAG 3 but needs to connect with Rachael.
16:13:25 <Rachael> q+
16:13:59 <Rachael> q-
16:14:04 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Internationalization, progressing well.  Julie, Addison, Alasdair but not Richard trying to coordinate a meet.  Rachael feels that getting more internationalization people would be good.
16:16:59 <Eric_hind> Julie: Goal of this meeting is to get buy in on the 5 language plan.
16:18:10 <Rachael> Based on all that. I agree with Lisa that you could use the first meeting to discuss best way to communicate and discuss Addison's comments.
16:20:56 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Other group requests need a discussion about collaborative tools; there is a document around comments processes.  An open tag system to alert screen readers has been trialed; we are waiting for APA feedback around whether or not the comment issues were copied to github issues
16:22:10 <Eric_hind> Lisa: At this point, we aren't sure if these comments are flowing through.  Asking if David can liaison between groups
16:22:47 <Eric_hind> David: Yes, am willing to check on this process in the APA group and will report back if there are issues or if communications haven't really been working.
16:23:36 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Asking David to check back with this group in two weeks to make sure this technique is working.
16:23:48 <lisa> q?
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16:24:27 <Eric_hind> Lisa: When is the right time to inject comments from COGA into the subgroups?
16:25:19 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-37B4PNCmrmcyUYWgCxqXUH4rmzI5P3TGB-9EG7ojuw/edit#gid=0
16:26:12 <Eric_hind> Julie: We know of multiple venues to work with other groups, it's feeling diffuse.  Julie has a proposal (google doc) to know what's coming up, as it is difficult to know whats urgent and whats coming up.
16:26:24 <lisa> this is a better link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oy5Guap5wnMFhp4OPhgGn1ihuHYmksstPqMHMrc_Krg/edit#gid=0
16:27:52 <Eric_hind> Rachael: Best way to engage is to join the subgroup; it is difficult to avoid last minute adjustments. Often as little as 6 days before.  It isn't likely that the subgroups will change their process in the short term.
16:28:28 <lisa> Q?
16:28:48 <Eric_hind> Rachael: Exploratory drafts for review will be made available; and there is a chance to review even before that to review and comment
16:29:45 <Eric_hind> Lisa: We have done some scratchpad level review for each group already.
16:30:44 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit
16:31:07 <Rachael> q+
16:31:11 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit#heading=h.49xg1j6yjxur
16:32:09 <Eric_hind> Lisa: The provided doc has links to other useful/usable subgroup information like meeting times, agendas, etc.  They seem to be about 2.5 weeks planning ahead
16:32:23 <julierawe> q+
16:32:23 <lisa> ack next
16:33:20 <Eric_hind> Rachael: We can discuss adding additional states in the document.
16:33:32 <lisa> ack next
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16:34:06 <Eric_hind> Julie: Knowing whats ahead could be helpful to encourage joining the subgroups.
16:34:34 <lisa> next item
16:34:47 <rashmi> q+
16:34:48 <julierawe> +1 to Eric's comment, thanks!
16:34:52 <julierawe> q-
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16:37:22 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Review of Guidance for lit review (COGA 2 literature review and update).  Added columns for New Ideas (classification of the kind of idea; new, backs up, etc) and column for subtopics that contain discovered themes or patterns that reoccur.
16:38:20 <lisa> q?
16:38:20 <lisa> ack next
16:38:32 <kirkwood> could you put literature review link in for minutes
16:38:41 <lisa> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Cu_qVP1WBz2TbsrAjLbbeb55RAlJmu9kfHamriL1Ocs/edit#gid=1686096268
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16:43:32 <lisa> Q?
16:43:58 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Agenda 3 and 4 update, Agenda 3 was the Rain's research plan.  Agenda 4 relates to the research plan draft outline..  which includes  search and research, reading articles thoroughly, analysis, search terms.
16:43:59 <Rain> +1 thank you for adding that
16:44:12 <lisa> resolution: is the reserch plan V1 ready
16:44:17 <lisa> +1
16:44:19 <Eric_hind> +1
16:44:22 <Jennie> +1
16:44:26 <rashmi> +1
16:44:39 <lisa> next item
16:44:39 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Research plan v1 is OK, no objections.
16:45:11 <Eric_hind> Lisa; Proposal 3 for mental health
16:46:26 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Proposal 3 Add sentence or paragraph for Keep the tone of content simple, positive, be respectful and do not talk down.
16:47:16 <rashmi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K4tI9SV4lsDXzCdaEAXExeL3f061__Sy06lfGV9mLvY/edit
16:47:19 <lisa> Q+
16:47:28 <rashmi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xzg17JS59Gy5fEdxpSLOFKLOPgJSrxVvBG112zUWlas/edit#heading=h.5binl16n34mt
16:47:34 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Proposal to add as Use a Simple tense and voice pattern
16:50:28 <lisa> q?
16:50:32 <lisa> ack next
16:50:49 <lisa>  Proposal to add as Use a Simple tense and voice pattern
16:51:03 <lisa> +1
16:51:32 <Eric_hind> 0
16:51:50 <lisa> (eric has no opinion
16:52:13 <lisa> john -1
16:52:18 <Eric_hind> John: This is a proposal to merge tense and respect; they feel like different concepts.
16:52:45 <lisa> changing to a 0
16:53:08 <tburtin> +1 John's opinion
16:53:20 <Rain> +1 agree as well
16:53:22 <Eric_hind> Lisa: No other strong opinions, will not enact the proposal to merge.  These are separate isues
16:53:34 <rashmi> +1 to John's point
16:53:39 <lisa> rain is agreeing with John
16:53:45 <lisa> as does rashmi
16:54:04 <lisa> relution, new pattern
16:54:12 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Agreed that this will be a new pattern
16:54:12 <lisa> resolution, new pattern
16:54:41 <lisa> no objections
16:56:10 <lisa> q+
16:56:12 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Next proposal  #4.  Add sentence or paragraph for "Choices of color can be an issue" Alternatively we can make this a pattern.  This has strong localization implications
16:56:37 <lisa> ack next
16:57:47 <kirkwood> red is very warm, if not hot. So not sure if this is correct. Think its too complicated and over simplified
16:57:54 <Eric_hind> Lisa: This one is complicated as there are implications to direct users to select particular colors.
16:58:00 <kirkwood> q+
16:59:52 <lisa> Q+
16:59:59 <Eric_hind> Rain: Applying a tangible concept to color choices; such as evaluate the impact of contrasting/saturation colors?
17:00:10 <Jennie> Apologies - have to drop. Have a good week!
17:00:10 <lisa> ack next
17:00:18 <DavidSwallow> Q+
17:01:15 <tburtin> q+
17:01:16 <Eric_hind> John: Even different industries tend towards color that grab attention; via color relationships.
17:02:05 <lisa> ack next
17:02:18 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Believe that part of Johns thoughts are that colors can be a distraction, rather than a help
17:02:52 <julierawe> I have to drop, thanks everyone
17:03:50 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Row 16 research emphasized warm / vivid colors
17:04:12 <lisa> q?
17:04:18 <lisa> ack netx
17:04:26 <lisa> ack d
17:04:47 <Eric_hind> Rashmi: Sometimes  colors have negative associations; emotional connection for different individuals
17:06:15 <Eric_hind> Tiffany: If we want to prevent harm, the extremes (of color contrast) can create positive states and negative states (like color extremes for individuals with astigmatisms)
17:06:56 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Summary, colors are an issue.  Maybe we need to lookup or research more on colors, there's more that we want to do.
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17:07:43 <Eric_hind> Lisa: will revist Nov 27