W3C

– DRAFT –
Maturity Model

04 October 2023

Attendees

Present
CharlesL, Fazio__, janina, Lionel, Mark, stacey, SusanaPallero
Regrets
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Chair
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Scribe
Mark, stacey

Meeting minutes

New Business

stacey: Dr. Keath Newton has been using the model and would like to share live how he’s using and putting comments in Gethub

Fazio__: Stacy gave an enabling talk on LLMs – they have equity bias. If we don’t look at equity that bias could creep in – do we want an equity dimension?

janina: Play Devils advice – I agree we’ll about equity but it is equity of web content. We should look at what we want to add before we add it. We should invite? This could be a slippery slope and we should consider carefully.

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SusanaPallero: Wondering if it is a dimension or should be embedded it in all the dimensions (what would the proof points be)

stacey: Can we all have a unified source to point people to?

Fazio__: Chapter in Germany is obsolete and boring, we need freshness to keep people engaged. M-Enabling talked on LLM and the bias they could have. Reasonable accommodation. Need equity through diff cultures.

<Zakim> janina, you wanted to say would we be starting down a slippery slope? and to

janina: In recent history we changed the way we talk about out environment. We dropped master-slave terminology.

Fazio__: We’re talking about more than just language. We don’t need to hash it out now. We do need Savia

stacey: Work together to figure out what should be in here. There should be a connection.

<SusanaPallero> +1 to janina

GitHub Issue 21 Flow of "A Maturity Model is:" need a little bit of love

Janina: Equity could be inside culture?

<Fazio__> https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=github.com&t=h.eJwdzEsOgyAUQNGtNIyrIKKCI7cC8hRSFAOP9JfuvbXjm3vepKRAxgtxiEceKV09umLqOW703s5001iSx2e1RQuB-pwLZMobcr2Q2_ntgDGtC0rRCsGoXfTLx8lB8I94HH9HdQYsE3KwzAI3Q2PUwjslukE3sp0ZbXrVCy64lDU7YThhXSBNzm5VxoK46oS1hbPaX91LCJ8vbvc6pQ.MEUCIHSDqin-DjHOFKTuB1b9HWDEWN0Er5sxPKm9t9LfQw8IAiEAywcUGny-tm4zVGLZleDdHpOzMggL4mLpoYS7AF6xOLo

janina: Maybe it needs to be it goes in culture.

CharlesL: Maybe change dimension to equity and culture

janina: It is one of the intersectional cultural points.

Fazio__: First git hub: The maturity model needs a little bit of love.

stacey: Read the section

Fazio__: David closed the issue and say its been edited.

<CharlesL> Section found in: https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/#About-maturity-model

janina: Reopen the issue if not satisfied.

GitHub Issue #28 No "Appendix" present for "1.3 Existing Research" (Delete?)

<Fazio__> https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=github.com&t=h.eJwdzEsOgyAUQNGtNIyrIKKCI7cC8lRSEAOP9JfuvbXjm3vepCRPxgvZEI88Uro63Iqp5xjovZ1p0FiSw2cVogVPXc4FMuWSXC_kdn47YEzrglK0QjBqF_1ycdrAu0c8jr-jOgOWCTlYZoGboTFq4Z0S3aAb2c6MNr3qBRdcypqdMJywLpCmzYYqY0FcdcLawlntr-7F-88Xcpo6rA.MEYCIQDcI_ccGr4unUoUt_ahnaYb2-PhCLVbl295vGB8vHRrIQIhAM0ehGp0W7q-xgfkwFBzTmK4desLkCoKPLKUgJL1CLYM

Fazio__: Next item

CharlesL: No longer talk about 6 models. It’s been changed delete it.

GitHub Issue #43 Should "proof points" and "ratings for evaluation" sections be combined for clarity?

<Fazio__> https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=github.com&t=h.eJwdzE0OgyAQQOGrNKyroKCiK6-CzqikIAaG9C-9e2vXL-97sxwdGy5sIzrSwPlqactTOQfP73Lm3lCOlp6FD4CO25QyJq4ku17Y7fx2pBDXhbSSSgkOi3nZMG7o7CMcx9_pmwlBKN2BAKynrpr6pW561XSm0nIWvGr7VtWq1roUJ4wnbDLGcQNfJMpEq4lUAp4VfnXPzn2-cQ06qQ.MEYCIQCTnQpXQJqZlsO4jQOBixxdM-_1s1yNTD-2lpVJ2WNtaQIhAMpKIgJ-8TKZDA2Ozpm15Bx5r2XFR9zs6KfC_meGA4NN

janina: Just close the issue

Fazio__: next issue 43

<CharlesL> w3c/maturity-model#28

<CharlesL> w3c/maturity-model#43

Fazio__: I agree the usability is a little difficult

janina: Maybe interlocking hyperlinks

<SusanaPallero> I am in!

stacey: It could get cognitively challenging

Fazio__: Stacey and Susana forming a group to look at usability

GitHub Issue #45 Would it be better to avoid the overlap between section 3.3 and sections 3.1 and 3.2?

<CharlesL> w3c/maturity-model#45

Fazio__: Next issue 45

stacey: https://github.com/swinehartganderson

<SusanaPallero> https://github.com/susipalleroarguello

<janina> Associate your github with W3C work: https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/connectedaccounts

stacey: need to be assigned to the issue 43 when we figure out why account isn't findable

Fazio__: I thought we said overlap in the dimensions was important should we call it out how do we want to approach?

<janina> So, maybe it's a matter of another checkbox related to this TF? That's a Roy thing.

CharlesL: Ideally, when you fill out something in one tab is would autofill into the overlapping in forms.

<janina> Suggest email Roy: Roy Ran <ran@w3.org>

Fazio__: Anything else?

Fazio__: Should we edit?

janina: Too early in the process to fully edit now.

CharlesL: Close for now and invite them when ready

<CharlesL> https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aw3c%2Fmaturity-model+jake&type=issues

Fazio__: Message: we publish and updated draft. We took into consideration your feedback. If you still feel there is an issue please reopen it.

Fazio__: No meeting next week -M-enabling.

stacey: Dr. Keith it good for the 18th.

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