IRC log of maturity on 2023-10-04

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14:35:19 [Zakim]: please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio__
14:35:42 [Fazio__]: meeting: Maturity Model
14:36:55 [Fazio__]: Agenda+ New Business
14:37:51 [Fazio__]: Agenda+ GitHub Issue 21 Flow of "A Maturity Model is:" need a little bit of love
14:38:01 [Fazio__]: Agenda+ GitHub Issue #28 No "Appendix" present for "1.3 Existing Research" (Delete?)
14:38:16 [Fazio__]: Agenda+ GitHub Issue #43 Should "proof points" and "ratings for evaluation" sections be combined for clarity?
14:38:33 [Fazio__]: Agenda+ GitHub Issue #45 Would it be better to avoid the overlap between section 3.3 and sections 3.1 and 3.2?
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15:02:26 [Fazio__]: present+
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15:03:05 [janina]: janina has changed the topic to: Maturity Model Teleconference
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15:03:34 [Mark]: present+
15:03:34 [Fazio__]: present+
15:03:34 [janina]: present+
15:03:56 [stacey]: scribe+
15:03:56 [Mark]: scribe+
15:04:13 [CharlesL]: agenda?
15:04:31 [CharlesL]: zakim, next item
15:04:31 [Zakim]: agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio__]
15:07:05 [Mark]: stacey: Dr. Keath Newton has been using the model and would like to share live how he’s using and putting comments in Gethub
15:08:42 [janina]: q+ to say would we be starting down a slippery slope?
15:09:07 [Mark]: Fazio__: Stacy gave an enabling talk on LLMs – they have equity bias. If we don’t look at equity that bias could creep in – do we want an equity dimension?
15:09:27 [SusanaPallero]: q+
15:10:13 [Lionel]: present+
15:10:35 [stacey]: q+
15:12:09 [Mark]: janina: Play Devils advice – I agree we’ll about equity but it is equity of web content. We should look at what we want to add before we add it. We should invite? This could be a slippery slope and we should consider carefully.
15:13:12 [Mark]: sus
15:13:16 [Mark]: SusanaPallero: Wondering if it is a dimension or should be embedded it in all the dimensions (what would the proof points be)
15:15:46 [janina]: q+
15:16:14 [Mark]: stacey: Can we all have a unified source to point people to?
15:16:37 [stacey]: ack SusanaPallero
15:16:40 [Mark]: Fazio__: Chapter in Germany is obsolete and boring, we need freshness to keep people engaged. M-Enabling talked on LLM and the bias they could have. Reasonable accommodation. Need equity through diff cultures.
15:16:42 [stacey]: ack stacey
15:16:48 [stacey]: ack janina
15:16:49 [Zakim]: janina, you wanted to say would we be starting down a slippery slope? and to
15:17:22 [stacey]: q+
15:17:31 [Mark]: janina: In recent history we changed the way we talk about out environment. We dropped master-slave terminology.
15:18:18 [Mark]: Fazio__: We’re talking about more than just language. We don’t need to hash it out now. We do need Savia
15:18:47 [janina]: q+
15:19:25 [stacey]: ack stacey
15:19:38 [Mark]: stacey: Work together to figure out what should be in here. There should be a connection.
15:20:45 [SusanaPallero]: +1 to janina
15:20:52 [janina]: ack ja
15:21:01 [CharlesL]: zakim, next item
15:21:01 [Zakim]: agendum 2 -- GitHub Issue 21 Flow of "A Maturity Model is:" need a little bit of love -- taken up [from Fazio__]
15:21:03 [stacey]: Janina: Equity could be inside culture?
15:21:36 [Fazio__]: https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=github.com&t=h.eJwdzEsOgyAUQNGtNIyrIKKCI7cC8hRSFAOP9JfuvbXjm3vepKRAxgtxiEceKV09umLqOW703s5001iSx2e1RQuB-pwLZMobcr2Q2_ntgDGtC0rRCsGoXfTLx8lB8I94HH9HdQYsE3KwzAI3Q2PUwjslukE3sp0ZbXrVCy64lDU7YThhXSBNzm5VxoK46oS1hbPaX91LCJ8vbvc6pQ.MEUCIHSDqin-DjHOFKTuB1b9HWDEWN0Er5sxPKm9t9LfQw8IAiEAywcUGny-tm4zVGLZleDdHpOzMggL4mLpoYS7AF6xOLo
15:21:52 [Mark]: janina: Maybe it needs to be it goes in culture.
15:22:33 [Mark]: CharlesL: Maybe change dimension to equity and culture
15:23:38 [Mark]: janina: It is one of the intersectional cultural points.
15:24:33 [Mark]: Fazio__: First git hub: The maturity model needs a little bit of love.
15:26:02 [Mark]: stacey: Read the section
15:26:56 [Mark]: Fazio__: David closed the issue and say its been edited.
15:27:00 [CharlesL]: Section found in: https://w3c.github.io/maturity-model/#About-maturity-model
15:27:24 [Mark]: janina: Reopen the issue if not satisfied.
15:27:35 [Lionel]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:27:36 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-maturity-minutes.html Lionel
15:27:48 [CharlesL]: zakim, next item
15:27:48 [Zakim]: agendum 3 -- GitHub Issue #28 No "Appendix" present for "1.3 Existing Research" (Delete?) -- taken up [from Fazio__]
15:27:54 [Fazio__]: https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=github.com&t=h.eJwdzEsOgyAUQNGtNIyrIKKCI7cC8lRSEAOP9JfuvbXjm3vepCRPxgvZEI88Uro63Iqp5xjovZ1p0FiSw2cVogVPXc4FMuWSXC_kdn47YEzrglK0QjBqF_1ycdrAu0c8jr-jOgOWCTlYZoGboTFq4Z0S3aAb2c6MNr3qBRdcypqdMJywLpCmzYYqY0FcdcLawlntr-7F-88Xcpo6rA.MEYCIQDcI_ccGr4unUoUt_ahnaYb2-PhCLVbl295vGB8vHRrIQIhAM0ehGp0W7q-xgfkwFBzTmK4desLkCoKPLKUgJL1CLYM
15:28:00 [Mark]: Fazio__: Next item
15:30:19 [Mark]: CharlesL: No longer talk about 6 models. It’s been changed delete it.
15:30:41 [CharlesL]: zakim, next item
15:30:41 [Zakim]: agendum 4 -- GitHub Issue #43 Should "proof points" and "ratings for evaluation" sections be combined for clarity? -- taken up [from Fazio__]
15:30:47 [Fazio__]: https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=github.com&t=h.eJwdzE0OgyAQQOGrNKyroKCiK6-CzqikIAaG9C-9e2vXL-97sxwdGy5sIzrSwPlqactTOQfP73Lm3lCOlp6FD4CO25QyJq4ku17Y7fx2pBDXhbSSSgkOi3nZMG7o7CMcx9_pmwlBKN2BAKynrpr6pW561XSm0nIWvGr7VtWq1roUJ4wnbDLGcQNfJMpEq4lUAp4VfnXPzn2-cQ06qQ.MEYCIQCTnQpXQJqZlsO4jQOBixxdM-_1s1yNTD-2lpVJ2WNtaQIhAMpKIgJ-8TKZDA2Ozpm15Bx5r2XFR9zs6KfC_meGA4NN
15:30:50 [Mark]: janina: Just close the issue
15:31:01 [Mark]: Fazio__: next issue 43
15:31:03 [CharlesL]: https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/28
15:31:14 [CharlesL]: https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/43
15:32:15 [Mark]: Fazio__: I agree the usability is a little difficult
15:32:33 [Mark]: janina: Maybe interlocking hyperlinks
15:33:02 [SusanaPallero]: I am in!
15:33:22 [Mark]: stacey: It could get cognitively challenging
15:33:58 [Mark]: Fazio__: Stacey and Susana forming a group to look at usability
15:35:42 [CharlesL]: zakim, next item
15:35:42 [Zakim]: agendum 5 -- GitHub Issue #45 Would it be better to avoid the overlap between section 3.3 and sections 3.1 and 3.2? -- taken up [from Fazio__]
15:35:47 [CharlesL]: https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/45
15:36:01 [Mark]: Fazio__: Next issue 45
15:36:53 [stacey]: stacey: https://github.com/swinehartganderson
15:38:13 [SusanaPallero]: https://github.com/susipalleroarguello
15:38:19 [janina]: Associate your github with W3C work: https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/connectedaccounts
15:38:20 [stacey]: stacey: need to be assigned to the issue 43 when we figure out why account isn't findable
15:40:03 [Mark]: Fazio__: I thought we said overlap in the dimensions was important should we call it out how do we want to approach?
15:41:06 [janina]: So, maybe it's a matter of another checkbox related to this TF? That's a Roy thing.
15:41:31 [Mark]: CharlesL: Ideally, when you fill out something in one tab is would autofill into the overlapping in forms.
15:41:45 [janina]: Suggest email Roy: Roy Ran <ran@w3.org>
15:42:02 [Mark]: Fazio__: Anything else?
15:43:12 [Mark]: Fazio__: Should we edit?
15:43:16 [Mark]: janina: Too early in the process to fully edit now.
15:43:42 [Mark]: CharlesL: Close for now and invite them when ready
15:44:50 [CharlesL]: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aw3c%2Fmaturity-model+jake&type=issues
15:46:39 [Mark]: Fazio__: Message: we publish and updated draft. We took into consideration your feedback. If you still feel there is an issue please reopen it.
15:49:03 [Mark]: Fazio__: No meeting next week -M-enabling.
15:49:32 [Mark]: stacey: Dr. Keith it good for the 18th.
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15:50:51 [Mark]: zakim, endmeating
15:50:51 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'endmeating', Mark
15:51:10 [stacey]: zakim, end meeting
15:51:10 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been stacey, CharlesL, janina, Fazio__, SusanaPallero, Mark, Lionel
15:51:12 [Zakim]: RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:51:13 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:51:19 [Mark]: Zakim, end meeting
15:51:19 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been stacey, CharlesL, janina, Fazio__, SusanaPallero, Mark, Lionel
15:51:19 [Zakim]: RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:51:20 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/10/04-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:51:25 [Zakim]: I am happy to have been of service, stacey; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
15:51:25 [Zakim]: I am happy to have been of service, Mark; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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