Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

28 September 2023


JohnRochford, julierawe, katy, kirkwood

Meeting minutes

Julie, you are so facile with Zakim. How DO you do it?

<julierawe> Ha, hi, John--you always make me smile!

I'm glad to have that effect on at least one person!

Katy and Lisa, you may want to present+.

Lisa is in the house!

Julie: Reviewing agenda items.

Kirkwood is in the house!

<lisa_> next item

<julierawe> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1iGYvCk2BPMplbYT3w3ROAyZXCUnN5g8nsiMcphRrAAI/edit#slide=id.p

Julie: This deck is teeing up the challenge.

John loves all those options. Clever.

John Foliot is the original author of the options.

<julierawe> Correction: John Foliot is not the author of the options. He provided a link to the most-spoken languages in the world.

Lisa: Languages that are structurally different may be good.

Lisa: I presented to Internationalization group at TPAC.

<kirkwood> FYI: an example of US City https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/policies/language-access-policy

Lisa: Richard said we should be sure we have representation.

<julierawe> What is Richard's last name?

Lisa: Arabic, Chinese, English are good ones.

Lisa: Perhaps Russian and French would be good.

Kirkwood: Urdu was required by NYC Department of Education plus 8 other languages.

Julie: The smallest possible set of languages is what we should aim for.

Julie: That many conditional tests are a lot.

<kirkwood> fully agree.

<kirkwood> lost irc earlier could put slide deck link in again, sorry.

Julie: 4 of Option 4 are included in Option D.

Julie: Sean Thompson says French is required in Canada.

Lisa: We should say 5 if that is what the group decides is our capacity.

Lisa: I don't think we should be limited to only these sets of options.

Lisa: Richard says we should do structurally different languages.

Lisa: I don't agree with any of the sets of options.

Arabic, English, Mandarin, Russian + 1 other should be the set we use.

<katy> I think Arabic, Mandarin, English, Spanish, Russian

+1 to Katy

<katy> Yes, agree to wiki

Lisa: We should Wiki.

Lisa: With info on other languages.

Julie: Fine by me to pursue Richard's suggestion.

<kirkwood> just as FYI NYC “Covered Languages” are “Arabic, Bengali, Chinese, English French, Haitian Creole, Korean, Russian, Spanish and Urdu”

Julie: We need an incredible, authorative source for a fifth language.

<julierawe> Scribing for John: John R: how about asking the Internationalization group to recruit the people we need for this?

<julierawe> John R: They have the contacts to do this, don't they?

John R: How about asking the Internationalization Group to bring us the help we need to languages?

Lisa: We tried that 2 years ago.

<kirkwood> +1 to Lisa, my feeling too

<lisa_> http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/basiclangstruct.html

<julierawe> John R: This is going to take years. I am pessimistic

John: I think this will take us years, and I am pessimistic we will be successful.

<lisa_> http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/basiclangstruct.html

<julierawe> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1iGYvCk2BPMplbYT3w3ROAyZXCUnN5g8nsiMcphRrAAI/edit#slide=id.g27c82c8abce_0_0

<julierawe> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona

Lisa: Is reiterating what she said previously.

Lisa: Priority 1 would be most spoken.

John R: Lisa, why most spoken and not most online?

<katy> I think saying most online would help more people sooner, but it would perpetuate digital barriers perhaps?

Lisa: We could have what's most online.

Lisa: We need languages from different families.

Katy: We could express succinctly.

Kirkwood: Are we thinking about non ASCII characters?

Kirkwood: There are a lot of languages, such as Urdu, that don't have ASCII characters.

Lisa: When we get to the Wiki, we will have to address symbolic languages, non ASCII.

Julie: I find compelling the resource (link) Lisa shared.

That link was Katy's. Thanks, Katy!

Lisa: The languages we choose could accentuate the digital divide.

<katy> Yes +1 to Lisa's comment about the the digital divide.

+1 to Lisa's comment and the similar one Katy made earlier.

Lisa: We need a proposal to how we get to a set of languages we can stand behind.

<lisa_> jump over similar languas that already included. the 6 official United Nations languages then most spoken

Lisa: I think the languages should be Arabic, Mandarin, English, Russian, and Hindi.

<katy> +1 to Lisa. Similar to the idea of most spoken languages that are not in the same family, plus Russian as widely used online

Lisa: We should verify they are all structurally different / from different families.

<katy> +1 to Lisa's suggestion

+1 to Lisa's suggestion, what the hell.

<julierawe> +1

<kirkwood> +1

Julie: Will set up meeting with Internationalization Group.

<julierawe> next item

Lisa: WCAG 2 is moving ahead at a nice speed.

Correction: WCAG 3.

<julierawe> Lisa wants 2 COGA members to look at each set of outcomes

<julierawe> Lisa: Check outcomes is the most important thing

<julierawe> Lisa: Ideally review prior to the meeting day

<julierawe> Lisa: Prioritize the most important bits

<julierawe> Lisa: We don't have time to get the full taskforce thinking on this before the Oct 3 meeting

<julierawe> Lisa: I will ask Rachael when we need to get the feedback in for the Oct 3 meeting

<julierawe> Lisa: Clear purpose, color contrast and error notification are the most important

<julierawe> Lisa: Can the people on this call each pick two?

<kirkwood> link to the doc you are on right now

<lisa_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nw0uqseDHPiRfrC8NvnHAoX2HsRERblGEOGW6MU-jJM/edit?usp=sharing

<lisa_> clear purose https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KhzQdfr3yGHEIWLva-SLahFNk6K6YlrUqJNkANOv0FA/edit

<julierawe> John K will review clear purpose and error notification

<julierawe> Julie will review clear purpose and color and contrast

<lisa_> outcomes for clear porpese : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KhzQdfr3yGHEIWLva-SLahFNk6K6YlrUqJNkANOv0FA/edit#heading=h.awi319hwg8ws

<julierawe> Katy will review color and contrast and error notificatin

<julierawe> The meetings are on Tuesday, Oct 3. Lisa will find out when they need comments from us.

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