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14:56:15 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:57:04 <JohnRochford> present+
14:57:10 <julierawe> Agenda+ Align as a subgroup on set of languages to focus on for WCAG 3
14:57:30 <julierawe> Agenda+ Develop outreach plan to get "buy in" from W3C's Internationalization group
14:57:35 <JohnRochford> Julie, you are so facile with Zakim. How DO you do it?
14:58:17 <julierawe> Agenda+ Review WCAG schedule and set next steps for reviewing other guidelines
14:58:29 <julierawe> Ha, hi, John--you always make me smile!
14:58:39 <julierawe> present+
14:58:53 <JohnRochford> I'm glad to have that effect on at least one person!
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15:02:54 <JohnRochford> Katy and Lisa, you may want to present+.
15:03:21 <katy> present+
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15:03:44 <JohnRochford> Lisa is in the house!
15:03:49 <lisa_> zakim, start meeting
15:03:50 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:03:51 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:03:58 <lisa_> RRSAgent, publish minutes
15:04:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/09/28-coga-minutes.html lisa_
15:04:37 <lisa_> agenda?
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15:04:43 <JohnRochford> Julie: Reviewing agenda items.
15:05:33 <JohnRochford> Kirkwood is in the house!
15:05:45 <julierawe> agenda 1
15:06:03 <lisa_> next item
15:06:24 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1iGYvCk2BPMplbYT3w3ROAyZXCUnN5g8nsiMcphRrAAI/edit#slide=id.p
15:06:55 <JohnRochford> Julie: This deck is teeing up the challenge.
15:07:00 <lisa_> Q+
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15:07:36 <JohnRochford> John loves all those options. Clever.
15:08:24 <JohnRochford> John Foliot is the original author of the options.
15:08:35 <kirkwood> present+
15:09:43 <JohnRochford> q?
15:10:20 <julierawe> Correction: John Foliot is not the author of the options. He provided a link to the most-spoken languages in the world.
15:10:35 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Languages that are structurally different may be good.
15:11:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I presented to Internationalization group at TPAC.
15:11:47 <kirkwood> FYI: an example of US City https://www.schools.nyc.gov/about-us/policies/language-access-policy
15:11:48 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Richard said we should be sure we have representation.
15:12:41 <julierawe> What is Richard's last name?
15:12:49 <kirkwood> q+
15:13:34 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Arabic, Chinese, English are good ones.
15:14:15 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Perhaps Russian and French would be good.
15:15:20 <JohnRochford> Kirkwood: Urdu was required by NYC Department of Education plus 8 other languages.
15:16:15 <JohnRochford> Julie: The smallest possible set of languages is what we should aim for.
15:16:29 <JohnRochford> Julie: That many conditional tests are a lot.
15:16:37 <lisa_> q+
15:16:46 <lisa_> ack k
15:17:16 <kirkwood> fully agree.
15:17:33 <kirkwood> lost irc earlier could put slide deck link in again, sorry.
15:17:45 <JohnRochford> Julie: 4 of Option 4 are included in Option D.
15:18:17 <JohnRochford> Julie: Sean Thompson says French is required in Canada.
15:18:53 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We should say 5 if that is what the group decides is our capacity.
15:19:11 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I don't think we should be limited to only these sets of options.
15:19:51 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Richard says we should do structurally different languages.
15:20:17 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I don't agree with any of the sets of options.
15:21:01 <JohnRochford> Arabic, English, Mandarin, Russian + 1 other should be the set we use.
15:21:45 <kirkwood> q-
15:21:48 <katy> I think Arabic, Mandarin, English, Spanish, Russian
15:22:11 <JohnRochford> +1 to Katy
15:22:18 <katy> Yes, agree to wiki
15:22:34 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We should Wiki.
15:22:53 <JohnRochford> Lisa: With info on other languages.
15:23:30 <JohnRochford> q+
15:23:40 <julierawe> q+
15:24:30 <lisa_> ack next
15:25:20 <JohnRochford> Julie: Fine by me to pursue Richard's suggestion.
15:25:33 <kirkwood> just as FYI NYC “Covered Languages” are “Arabic, Bengali, Chinese, English French, Haitian Creole, Korean, Russian, Spanish and Urdu”
15:25:47 <JohnRochford> Julie: We need an incredible, authorative source for a fifth language.
15:26:26 <lisa_> Q+
15:26:29 <julierawe> Scribing for John: John R: how about asking the Internationalization group to recruit the people we need for this?
15:26:41 <julierawe> John R: They have the contacts to do this, don't they?
15:27:08 <JohnRochford> John R: How about asking the Internationalization Group to bring us the help we need to languages?
15:27:20 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We tried that 2 years ago.
15:27:39 <kirkwood> +1 to Lisa, my feeling too
15:27:56 <lisa_> http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/basiclangstruct.html
15:28:13 <julierawe> John R: This is going to take years. I am pessimistic
15:28:18 <JohnRochford> John: I think this will take us years, and I am pessimistic we will be successful.
15:28:48 <julierawe> q+
15:29:01 <lisa_> http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/basiclangstruct.html
15:29:03 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1iGYvCk2BPMplbYT3w3ROAyZXCUnN5g8nsiMcphRrAAI/edit#slide=id.g27c82c8abce_0_0
15:29:05 <lisa_> ack next
15:29:08 <lisa_> ack next
15:29:11 <lisa_> ack next
15:32:51 <julierawe> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona
15:33:38 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Is reiterating what she said previously.
15:34:03 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Priority 1 would be most spoken.
15:34:52 <JohnRochford> John R: Lisa, why most spoken and not most online?
15:34:59 <katy> I think saying most online would help more people sooner, but it would perpetuate digital barriers perhaps?
15:35:03 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We could have what's most online.
15:36:45 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We need languages from different families.
15:38:22 <JohnRochford> Katy: We could express succinctly.
15:39:02 <JohnRochford> Kirkwood: Are we thinking about non ASCII characters?
15:39:35 <JohnRochford> Kirkwood: There are a lot of languages, such as Urdu, that don't have ASCII characters.
15:40:52 <JohnRochford> Lisa: When we get to the Wiki, we will have to address symbolic languages, non ASCII.
15:41:05 <julierawe> q+
15:42:38 <JohnRochford> Julie: I find compelling the resource (link) Lisa shared.
15:43:10 <JohnRochford> That link was Katy's. Thanks, Katy!
15:44:10 <julierawe> q+
15:44:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: The languages we choose could accentuate the digital divide.
15:44:29 <katy> Yes +1 to Lisa's comment about the the digital divide.
15:44:50 <JohnRochford> +1 to Lisa's comment and the similar one Katy made earlier.
15:46:19 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We need a proposal to how we get to a set of languages we can stand behind.
15:47:24 <lisa_> jump over similar languas that already included. the 6 official United Nations languages then most spoken
15:47:47 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I think the languages should be Arabic, Mandarin, English, Russian, and Hindi.
15:47:49 <katy> +1 to Lisa. Similar to the idea of most spoken languages that are not in the same family, plus Russian as widely used online
15:48:35 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We should verify they are all structurally different / from different families.
15:49:19 <katy> +1 to Lisa's suggestion
15:49:38 <JohnRochford> +1 to Lisa's suggestion, what the hell.
15:50:20 <julierawe> +1
15:50:32 <kirkwood> +1
15:51:06 <JohnRochford> Julie: Will set up meeting with Internationalization Group.
15:51:09 <julierawe> next item
15:51:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: WCAG 2 is moving ahead at a nice speed.
15:51:47 <julierawe> Zakim, next item
15:51:47 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, julierawe
15:51:48 <JohnRochford> Correction: WCAG 3.
15:52:31 <julierawe> Agenda item #2: Outreach to Internationalization team: Julie will update the slide deck and work with Rachael and Jeanne to set up a meeting with Internationalization.
15:52:41 <julierawe> Agenda item #3: WCAG 3
15:53:37 <julierawe> q+
15:55:08 <julierawe> Lisa wants 2 COGA members to look at each set of outcomes
15:57:27 <julierawe> Lisa: Check outcomes is the most important thing
15:57:46 <julierawe> Lisa: Ideally review prior to the meeting day
15:57:55 <julierawe> Lisa: Prioritize the most important bits
15:58:38 <kirkwood> present+
15:59:01 <julierawe> Lisa: We don't have time to get the full taskforce thinking on this before the Oct 3 meeting
15:59:14 <julierawe> Lisa: I will ask Rachael when we need to get the feedback in for the Oct 3 meeting
15:59:29 <julierawe> Lisa: Clear purpose, color contrast and error notification are the most important
15:59:37 <julierawe> Lisa: Can the people on this call each pick two?
16:01:03 <kirkwood> link to the doc you are on right now
16:01:57 <lisa_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nw0uqseDHPiRfrC8NvnHAoX2HsRERblGEOGW6MU-jJM/edit?usp=sharing
16:03:08 <lisa_> clear purose https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KhzQdfr3yGHEIWLva-SLahFNk6K6YlrUqJNkANOv0FA/edit
16:03:08 <julierawe> John K will review clear purpose and error notification
16:03:25 <julierawe> Julie will review clear purpose and color and contrast
16:03:31 <lisa_> outcomes for clear porpese : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KhzQdfr3yGHEIWLva-SLahFNk6K6YlrUqJNkANOv0FA/edit#heading=h.awi319hwg8ws
16:03:48 <julierawe> Katy will review color and contrast and error notificatin
16:05:38 <julierawe> The meetings are on Tuesday, Oct 3. Lisa will find out when they need comments from us.
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